Snow is Evil and so is weather below 50 degrees

[wjr]

I gave you a whole list of degreed doctors.
I knew you didnt want the names of scientists and doctors that have disproved your belief.
Oh and I'm not an agnostic.
I know there is a God. His Word says that men have been here for just over 6000 years.
Its the scientists that seek a way around Him.
They dont want Him and seek to prove He is not, like saying the world is 650,000 years old.
They have failed miserably. As you have.
Good luck in your faith.

Young Earther alert! I've a question for you that I've always wanted to ask: Explain the dinosaurs. Did the scientists make those up? I've always wanted to know.

Back to the main point...

You know, there was the whole scientific convention consisting of hundreds of scientists concluding that global warming was indeed caused by humans. Only a small fraction say it's false. So...

[RogueFactor]

I gave you a whole list of degreed doctors.
I knew you didnt want the names of scientists and doctors that have disproved your belief.

LMAO. Are you serious?

#1- You originally stated "highly renowned". You havent provided, or proved they are as you stated.
#2- Youve provided nothing thats refutes or even disproves anthropogenic (man-made)global warming. Moreso, youve provided nothing from the list of 6 that disproves anthropogenic (man-made)global warming.
#3- The only thing you did provide was a list of 6 that make up a coalition "aimed at refuting" the IPCC. No facts. No data. Show me something in the way of data, or facts that back up your position, and I will gladly read them.

If you seriously think a quick google search of a list of merely 6 is somehow going to refute the work of 2500+, you arent cooking on all burners "son".

Oh and I'm not an agnostic.

2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
--->

Well I dont have that much faith brother.

Yeah, huh?

I know there is a God. His Word says that men have been here for just over 6000 years.

No where in the Bible does God tell us the exact year of Creation. The theory you believe is an extrapolation from genealogical calculation.

Its the scientists that seek a way around Him.
They dont want Him and seek to prove He is not, like saying the world is 650,000 years old.
They have failed miserably. As you have.
Good luck in your faith.

I now know why you must believe as you do. The science cant be right, because you have a belief based on blind faith.

I am saddened for you, "The Bible does not call us to blind faith. The Bible calls us to faith in evidence. We submit that various truth claims, including Christianity, should be evaluated on the evidence."

You havent, and wont consider evaluating the evidence. Whether your belief is right or not is of little importance to you. To consider anything else would destroy your basis of blind faith.

Those who have failed miserably are the sheep. The ones that follow blindly. Good luck in your faith.

[going_home]

Are you serious?

Deadly serious.
Evidence based on junk science and carbon 14 tests, which has been proven
decades ago to be unreliable, is not evidence at all.
You can believe what you want.
You have yet to prove anything at all.
I apparently have proven nothing to you.
The same sheep thing applies in your case, so yes I feel for you also.
So good luck with your faith in global warming.
I just dont have that much faith, as I said before.
Since you're a much younger man than I, and you feel the need to have the last word,
go for it. I'm done.

[MANN]

Alright Alright. Break it up.

We all can agree that the earth is changing. There is neither concrete evidence for or against global warming. Yes there is evidence for both man made changes and natural cycles, but again nothing concrete. We could all argue about global warming/earth cycles untill cows come home, but in the end it really doesnt matter. Lets just be friends

[Mikey B]

Lets argue about more important things, like Anna Nichole...

[RogueFactor]

Young Earther alert! I've a question for you that I've always wanted to ask: Explain the dinosaurs. Did the scientists make those up? I've always wanted to know.

Agreed. Kinda hard to get around those, isnt it?

But, according to going_home, there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible...they dont exist. Thats junk science. Why? Because it cant be true, since there is no mention. Those dinosaurs being dug up were put there by those who try to get around His words. It must have been Hillary Clinton or Al Gore who put them there.

It's sad. Really is. According to going_home, global warming doesnt exist because:

1) The liberals say it does; he doesnt like liberals, so he must take the opposite stance.
2) Because the bible alludes to the earth only being 6000 years old; somehow that precludes the possibility that we are doing damage.
3) Because 6 scientists dont agree with the IPCC. Not that theyve proven anything. Just that they exist.

See the pattern? His opinion is based on everything other than evidence. Not one shred of it. He substantiates his opinion with non-sequitirs--- conclusions that cannot be reached from the presented information.

Going_home would argue that the earth is flat too... The Flat-Earth Bible .

On top of that, it doesnt move either. It is immovable, according to scripture.

So now, according to going_homes logic, Astronomy is junk science. Physics is too. As they both believe that the earth is round, and moves. The evidence its round and moves isnt evidence at all, since it was derived from junk science. And its junk science because the evidence cant be true according to his belief

[billybob_81067]

IBTL!

[going_home]

Agreed. Kinda hard to get around those, isnt it?

But, according to going_home, there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible...they dont exist. Thats junk science.

Please Shawn show me where I said dinosaurs arent mentioned in the Bible.
You wont be able to post that because I never said it, because they are mentioned
in the Bible sir.
Want me to post the scriptures ? I would be very happy to.

[wjr]

^ I'll post if for you how about.

According to a PM I got from going_home, he says the bible mentions dinosaurs: Behemoth and Leviathan.

So... humans and dinosaurs were on earth at the same time.

[RogueFactor]

^ I'll post if for you how about.

According to a PM I got from going_home, he says the bible mentions dinosaurs: Behemoth and Leviathan.

So... humans and dinosaurs were on earth at the same time.

Ive heard his position. Problem is, there is no evidence of this. Religion requires explaining dinosaurs to fit the 6000 year theory. Because its irrefutable to deny the existence of dinosaurs. Which is the reason they clutch at the Behemoth and Leviathan examples.

Youd think if they walked side by side(man and dinosaur), that the discovery of fossils would include humans next to dinosaurs as they all perished in the Great Flood. Have we found that? Nope.

Please Shawn show me where I said dinosaurs arent mentioned in the Bible.
You wont be able to post that because I never said it, because they are mentioned
in the Bible sir.
Want me to post the scriptures ? I would be very happy to.

LOL. Now all of a sudden youre willing to post, when you think you have something. Thought you said you were done. Alan, its like leading a horse to water ...

It always makes me chuckle, when religious zealots require conclusive proof of science, but will accept surmisions of interpretations from translations of ancient hebrew.

Actually, what Id like you to do, since you suggest humans stood side-by-side with dinosaurs, the kind we find fossils of...is to provide any writings other than the bible that corroborate your assumption that Leviathan and Behemoth are dinosaurs.

As youve suggested that scientists from 650,000 years ago must provide written accounts of weather, I will ask you to provide any evidence(written of course) other than the biblical references, that describe Behemoth and Leviathan as dinosaurs. Since humans were alive at the time, and those humans were capable of the written word, this should be a simple task for you.


Youre gonna have a hard time doing that though, since Christian scholars cannot conclusively agree that Behemoth and Leviathan were dinosaurs:

"Behemoth can be interpreted as a mythical animal. However, some have attempted to identify it with real-life animals.

In the book of Job, both Behemoth and Leviathan are listed alongside a number of mundane animals, such as goats, eagles, and hawks, leading many Christian scholars to surmise that Behemoth and Leviathan may also be mundane creatures. Suggested animals include the water buffalo and the elephant, but the most common suggestion is the hippopotamus.[1] Some readers also identify a hippopotamus in Isaiah's bahamot negeb or "beasts of the south" (30:6). Indeed, one of the Russian words for hippopotamus is "behemoth," which does not carry the same mythical connotations in Russian. Although the animal's tail "moves like a cedar" (40:17), an unlikely description for any of these animals, "tail' could be a euphemism for an elephant's trunk. [2] Moreover, some suggest that "tail" is a euphemism for male genitalia. Support for this is based on another meaning of the Hebrew word "move" which means "extend" and on the second part of verse 17 describing the sinew around its "stones" (the Vulgate uses the word "testiculorum"].

Others disagree, pointing to the fact that Behemoth is called "chief of the ways of God" (40:19), indicating that it is not a mere animal.

Another proposal is that the Behemoth is a dinosaur. Some sort of sauropod is usually proposed since large sauropods had tails "like a cedar". Adherents to this viewpoint hold that it is more consistent with the literal application of the text. However, critics usually point out that according to paleontology, sauropods, unlike Behemoth, were tree-browsers that became extinct 65 million years ago, predating the appearance and rise of people or grasses. Additionally, opponents of this theory argue that the text is probably allegory at best.

There are modern rumors of a sauropodlike animal called Mokele-mbembe living in Africa. As both creatures are rumored to be dinosaurs, some believe that Mokele-mbembe and Behemoth may be one and the same."

Even Christian scholars dont agree that Behemoth and Leviathan are dinosaurs. So whose faith is right? Yours or the Christian scholars? Does that mean you consider their religion junk religion?

Only the closed minded want to pit science against religion. When its more likely(to surmise) that they are more similiar than not.

[acecl22]

i think religion is believing in things that people interpereted a long time ago. science is the active process of figuring out the world around us with the goal of realizing the purpose of our own existence, if there is any purpose at all. the problem with religion is that they do not make an attempt at explaining what can not currently be explained, it was only a few years ago that the church 'officially' recognized that the earth does revolve around the sun, while scientists like Copernicus knew that everyone was wrong hundreds of years ago.

the fact is, we dont know what religion is right, we dont know if science is right, but we do know that science is actively trying to find a solution to the ultimate problem.

[Pneumagger]

I hate to break up the beautiful love going around - but I believe this is the exact reason religious or political topics are prohibited.

/Just Sayin'

PS - WWJD?

[acecl22]

any argument is basically an endless argument anyway, so why be prejudice against religious and political argument, they are obviously the most important topics overall

[going_home]

LOL. Now all of a sudden youre willing to post, when you think you have something. Thought you said you were done. Alan, its like leading a horse to water ...

The reason I posted again is to point out that you posted something untrue
about me.
You claimed I said something that I never did.
Now thats the truth.
You cant post it because you know I never said it.
You know, the Bible/dinosaur thing remember Shawn ?

[acecl22]

if there was a book explaining everything, i would believe that book, but no such book exists, not the bible, not the koran, none of those other holy books can explain everything. their best explanation is that something made it, but they dont know what, theyve never seen it, theres no evidence of it, it is just an idea. God is an word used to explain what we cannot explain, but when we can answer more questions about the universe, i think that we will see that a supreme being defies logic. its a hard viewpoint to grasp, but then again, so was the viewpoint that the earth isnt actually the center of the universe.