Terrorist in Jersey!! and they used paintball

[madcrisis]

speaking of terrorism one of the biggest places that can be attacked is very local. ill give u a hint: its in philly. if they attacked this place i would be screwed and most of US. do u guys know where it is?

[BigEvil]

Right, and i beleive what the ORIGINAL poster was saying was that these people should be innocent until proven guilty.

That IS one of the founding principles.

No left wing talking points....just good human nature.

And I agree with you 200% on that. If there are found guilty, they should be taken to ground zero and beheaded with a rusty gurder from the WTC. Then, we should recall every one of our soldiers in Europe, and use them to protect the American boarders to prevent any more people from sneaking in. Just good common sence

But here is another interesting point. Should rights that are only guaranteed to Americans be extended to foreigners? That was not one of the intentions of the founders.

[WalkingTarget]

Lol bring it We are the only country to has a succesfull win/loss record for wars with the US... we are 1-0 baby

For real, don't make us come down there and burn the whitehouse to the ground *again*; i mean last time we were good sports about it and gave you back the land you originally owned.

*steps outside to prepare 'beer for guns' sign*

[Tao]

For real, don't make us come down there and burn the whitehouse to the ground *again*; i mean last time we were good sports about it and gave you back the land you originally owned.

*steps outside to prepare 'beer for guns' sign*

lol I think that trade would work in the US; Canadian beer for guns.

[Tao]

But here is another interesting point. Should rights that are only guaranteed to Americans be extended to foreigners? That was not one of the intentions of the founders.

Most countries do I believe. It should be a basic human right to be treated fairly until proven guilty.

[Ninjeff]

And I agree with you 200% on that. If there are found guilty, they should be taken to ground zero and beheaded with a rusty gurder from the WTC. Then, we should recall every one of our soldiers in Europe, and use them to protect the American boarders to prevent any more people from sneaking in. Just good common sence

But here is another interesting point. Should rights that are only guaranteed to Americans be extended to foreigners? That was not one of the intentions of the founders.

Well, therein lies the rub my friend. ON the surface one would say if they are NOT an American citizen, then they have less "rights" than those that are.

However, im of the opinion that we need to walk the talk. Play FAIR and take the moral high ground. If the end objective is to spread the "beauty" that is democracy we cannot pick and choose where we use our "standards". Give them a FAIR trial, presume innocence and play nice.

If, however, they are found guilty, they will pay the price. That way we can say, honestly,
"Hey we tried to play nice, we tried to play fair....we did everything with a high moral standard and respect for all humanity. Still, you decided to press the issue, now face the collective whopping of the U.S. military. Walk softly, and carry a big laser guided stick.

I dont, in any way, agree with the current administrations use of our men and women in the armed forces. I think the current run of white house goons has soiled the true face of America. Lies lies lies and scandals, disgrace and misuse of our military powers does not a happy American make.

But thats neither here, nor there.


I wonder if those yahoos would have complained about "over shooting" when they attacked our base. Buncha whiners......

[maglover728]

QFT

People should never be too fond of their gov't. We should however be extremely proud of the principles that our nation was founded on, the good that we have and continue to do in the world, and great American people. It is our duty as citizens to always keep our government in check.

The founding fathers are rollin in their graves. This goverment is run on pay offs and shere
(-2sp) politics. Big goverment is what they ran from and what we have become. We are the policemen of the world and have our noses in everyone elses business. We have homeless on the street and a failling public education system, just look at my spelling in most of my posts LOL, this is not the vision of the men who died to make this country free in the begining.

I am not preaching:


But this:


And hopeing every one remembers:



It is time to focus on America. Just America.

[WalkingTarget]

well, your gov't might start actually TRYING the people held in Guantanamo.... It's as illegal as all hell to hold people without charge, nevermind the fact the the american government has taken these people out of other countries to be held without charge. no wonder the world is pissed at the US, you invade, take prisoners despite international law and then act like you have the 'moral high ground'.

then there's the fact tht the US attacked Iraq without UN approval; and now that it doesn't like where things are going, they are trying to pull away. too bad, you broke it, you fix it!

I have to agree with the above statements, your founding fathers must be spinning in their graves, they rebelled against unfair taxes and imprisonment, now look at where your gov't is.

under the Bush administration;

- Constitutional Rights have been Suspended, Indefinitely
- Overthrown governments to install puppet democracies.
- Illegally Invaded Iraq
- Holding over 3000 people *that we know of*, without charge
- Over 3000 american service people have been killed, not to mention those of other nationalities in an unjust war over Oil.

Wake up and smell the ashes people.

America is a police state.

if you look the wrong way, you could be arrested. questionable past? same thing; from the middle east? 80% chance you have been wire-tapped. Your civil right to protest peacefully has been revoked, as with your right to privacy, free speech and liberty.

Way to go; i really enjoyed watching you all not just sit around and take it, but actually hold rallies to applaud your government's actions in neutering your rights.


If this made you mad, go ahead and flame me, but before you do; go out and actually research what's out there! Look at information from an unbiased source, just open your eyes and see the what's happening outside your own window, it isn't your president running the country, it's Haliburton, IBM, Microsoft, Shell, Exxon, CNN, FOX and other such companies.

[bornl33t]

If this whole thing was about oil, why is it that I filled up today for 3 times what it cost me before the war started?

I'm not going to flame you, cause I couldn't do the damage you just did to your own credibility.

[bornl33t]

Most countries do I believe. It should be a basic human right to be treated fairly until proven guilty.

Most countries, just like the US have a right and a wrong way to immigrate.
And being caught in the US without going through the proper channels is what?

So basically your right unless you are trying to say that America doesn't treat foreigners fair when they have been proven guilty?

[AirAssault]

If this whole thing was about oil, why is it that I filled up today for 3 times what it cost me before the war started?

I'm not going to flame you, cause I couldn't do the damage you just did to your own credibility.

The fact that it is about oil has nothing to do with the price YOU pay for gas. The real question you should be asking is this... Why are you paying record prices for gas, while the US oil companies are recording RECORD PROFITS? Do a little research, the war in Iraq is about oil. Google "production sharing agreement" and read up a bit. You may be surprised.

[Aggravated Assault]

.....the wake up call is how US foreign policy has essentially created these threats. The US has stuck its nose into other poeple's business too often to suit their own purposes, and once the US's purpose is satisfied they leave.
Case and point:

Alquaiida (NOT spelled Alquaeda) was created by the US. When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan (before the communist fall), the US armmed Afghanistan to fight off America's communist enemy. When the soviets were defeated, the US pulled out since their goals were accomplished, leaving Afghanistan to pick up the pieces. The soviets were defeated by Afghanistani blood, and the US showed no gratitude to the Afghanistanis or responsibility for their involvement. Now all of Afghanistani generals had nothing left of their contry and each eneded up fighting each other for control. Each was furrious for being used by the United States and swore vengeance. One of these generals...warlords was Osama Binladin.

If you look at it, the world trade centre attacks was a very very small amount of blood in payback to Afghanistan for all the Afghani lives which were given to fight communism with no recognition for their sacrifices other than a wore torn country. The attacks on the World Trade Centre were awful, but it was a wakeup call for American's to see what the US has done to other countries. The way the US used Afghanistan to fight America's fights for them was way way way more awful than the tradgedy of the World Trade Centre. Unfortunately most Americans missed this wake up call

Even after the World Trade Centre tradjedy, the US still messed up their dealings with other countries. They invaded Iraq illegally, and then when the US seized power it did not care about keeping order immediately. There was chaos, the Iraqi culture was nearly destroyed. Cultural relics and sights were destroyed in the chaos. 2000+ year old artifacts were lost from museums. Other than Sadam Iraq was a very beautiful country with lots of sights to see.

Hopefully this can get some people to see the reasons behind some of these attacks, and realize that entire Terrorist movements have been born from the way the US has teated other countris and the lives of their people.

Good job. You've totally upped AirAssault on leftie talking points.


*Edit - Man...Walking Target was pretty sharp on talking points too.
This is some good stuff.

Edit 2 - Now that I think about it, Walking Target takes the cake. Alex Jones would be proud. In fact, I hope you got permission to C&P that stuff from his website.

[AirAssault]

LoL, leftie talking points. Seeing as the majority of America doesn't want us in Iraq, i would call it an American talking point. "Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism" What crazy guy said that? It is our duty to question our government, however there will always be sheep, so you won't be alone.

Good job. You've totally upped AirAssult on leftie talking points.

Edit - Man...Walking Target was pretty sharp on talking points too.
This is some good stuff.

[Aggravated Assault]

LoL, leftie talking points. Seeing as the majority of America doesn't want us in Iraq, i would call it an American talking point. "Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism" What crazy guy said that?

Hillary Clinton?

[BigEvil]

I love the "War is about oil" crowd. If we were that oil hungry we could just invade Mexico.. You know what, even hypothetically if it is. SO WHAT? And if it is, then we need to just level that toilet of a country and move our own oil rigs in there. If we are going to do it, then we should be doing it right, no?

As much as i despise paying the prices I do for gas, the whole reason that oil 'companies' are in business is to make a profit, NOT make it so that we can drive to the shore every summer for a reasonable cost. Supply and Demand, restrictive regulations, TAXES, transportation costs, and refinement all effect the price at the pump.

Speaking of refinement, when has the last time a new refinery was built in this country? Why is that?

And here is a homework assignment for anyone interested: Out of everyone who gets a cut of the price of a gallon of gasoline, who gets the BIGGEST percentage? Hint: They dont drill for it, refine it, explore for it, or anything else related.

Anyways... no matter what your side of any of these issues, EVERYONE allows this to happen. The same way we allow them to take a larger and large chunk of our money every year, the same way we allow them to raise tolls, the same way we allow more and more restrictive gun laws.. the same way we allow them to regulate more and more aspects of our lives... ect ect you get the point.