Terrorist in Jersey!! and they used paintball

[AirAssault]

Hillary Clinton?

Thomas Jefferson.

[WalkingTarget]

First and foremost, There are/were several reasons for the war in Iraq, among those;

- Oil
- Economic Stimulation* (True! war is thought of as a factor that simulates the economy and prevents recession)
- Public Image**

* War tends to stimulate economy and development, for this reason, it is believed that the United States has entered into many conflicts to prevent recession/inflation reactions in its own economy; proof of this lies in the fact that before and during the early portions of the recent middle eastern conflicts economic trends pointed towards increasing inflationary rates and a medium to large recession.


** After bombing Afghanastan into the stone age (albiet that wasn't a huge move) it seemed like a hollow victory, none of the 'bad guys' were in chains or dead; what better move than to take out somebody they know is an evil SoB and show some concrete progress. (only problem being that when they did overthrow someone who *was* an evil SoB, they left the country in shambles)


As for my earlier post... well, what the hell do you think the Patriot Act is? it's certainly no protecting your freedoms; it specifically allows your gov't to hold people without charge indefinitely; it allows them to spy on you without just cause, in the right/wrong hands it can even be interpreted to deny your right to protest or gather peacefully or to critisize the government. (as critisizing the gov't is *obviously* a terrorist act). heck! there are rallies supporting your gov't almost every weekend, even as they snatch freedoms from you.


and as for Guantanamo, do your bloody research, it's just not people from the middle east they are holding there; people from many different countries have 'disappeared' into this and other secret prisons, and i'm sure guantanamo is only the surface of it all. Moreover, these people have been taken without extriditon or other means or expatriating them. meaning the US just walked in, took who they wanted, and walked back out. huh... sounds kind of like what terrorists do in Iraq; walk in, take someone, walk out and then post a video of their version of 'justice'

and yes, the fact that your government has taken Canadian citizens without extridition, then held them without charge absolutely enrages me.

I'm Canadian, and i will go to hell and back before i let my government take my rights away.

[geekwarrior]

[SCpoloRicker]

I'm Canadian,

[Aggravated Assault]

Thomas Jefferson.

OMG. You are killing me.



Here's a little something gleaned from the jefferson library:



I included some others for future misquotes:



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You see I don't need to have some one think for me. I can do that for myself. Give it a try, you might like it.

[Tao]

Most countries, just like the US have a right and a wrong way to immigrate.
And being caught in the US without going through the proper channels is what?

So basically your right unless you are trying to say that America doesn't treat foreigners fair when they have been proven guilty?

I think inb America only American citizens have the maranda rights: right to a lawyer, right to due process etc.

[Tao]

Good job. You've totally upped AirAssault on leftie talking points.


*Edit - Man...Walking Target was pretty sharp on talking points too.
This is some good stuff.

Edit 2 - Now that I think about it, Walking Target takes the cake. Alex Jones would be proud. In fact, I hope you got permission to C&P that stuff from his website.

Thats neither left not right, that is fact.

[FactsOfLife]

need a huge friggin shovel to clean up the liberal guano in this thread.

[WalkingTarget]

I am neither left, right or up or down or sideways; I'm just looking at what I see, not taking CNN's and FOX's 'facts and proof' at face value.

I just look at the evidence presented to me and make my judgements based on that; the nice thing about facts is that they have no leaning to any particular party or viewpoint, they are truely unbiased.

Go to a media outlet other than CNN, FOX or their affiliates, the ammount of slant that this so called 'media' puts on events is astounding.

a good place to start is the BBC and other such international news agencies.

Edit: you may wish to start by looking into the $30 000 000 or so dollars that your government sent to Haliburton for paving roads in Iraq - only about 2 miles of road ever got built, that's $15 000 000 per mile.... *YOUR* tax dollars sent to a major oil company for work that was never done.

[Tao]

First and foremost, There are/were several reasons for the war in Iraq, among those;

- Oil
- Economic Stimulation* (True! war is thought of as a factor that simulates the economy and prevents recession)
- Public Image**

* War tends to stimulate economy and development, for this reason, it is believed that the United States has entered into many conflicts to prevent recession/inflation reactions in its own economy; proof of this lies in the fact that before and during the early portions of the recent middle eastern conflicts economic trends pointed towards increasing inflationary rates and a medium to large recession.

I'm Canadian, and i will go to hell and back before i let my government take my rights away.

War doesn't stimulate the economy. It did in the 30s because it gave jobs to unemployed people durring the recession. This was an enignma however. War drives up a country's deficit and drives up inflation. It drives up the countries deficit because it is littlerally throwing away its resources (bombs, ammunition etc) so there are less products being produced to trade with or for citizens to purchase. For example lets say the country worked normally paying citizens to refine goods etc, then all the products of the country were blown up. Now these citizens were paid and have say $2000 a month. Their money would hardly buy food let alone water since hyper inflation would make their money worthless. Sorta like Germany before WW2. An extreme example but it paints the picture.

It drives up inflation because consumer goods aren't being produced in the normal quantities because a higher percentage of the countries resources are being devoted to military goods. Since there is less consumer goods than what would generally be available for purchase you get inflation as people have more money than the goods available to spend it on.

Just want to get this clear since I have hear some people say that the war in Iraq is good for the US economy. Well now the US has a balance of payments issue wich would scare the hell out of me if I were American. What is a balance of payments issue? The US needs to import more resources than it can export to pay for it. Since the US is the most productive country on the planet, having a balance of paymets issue is HUGE

[Lohman446]

I am neither left, right or up or down or sideways; I'm just looking at what I see, not taking CNN's and FOX's 'facts and proof' at face value.

I just look at the evidence presented to me and make my judgements based on that; the nice thing about facts is that they have no leaning to any particular party or viewpoint, they are truely unbiased.

Go to a media outlet other than CNN, FOX or their affiliates, the ammount of slant that this so called 'media' puts on events is astounding.

a good place to start is the BBC and other such international news agencies.

So the facts presented to you cannot be biased? If I control the information out of an area I can most certainly bias the facts presented. The fault is beleiving that the "evidence presented to you" is all the evidence, and thus that your opinion does not have flaws in it. Its a fault in most peoples methods of debate.

[WalkingTarget]

So the facts presented to you cannot be biased? If I control the information out of an area I can most certainly bias the facts presented. The fault is beleiving that the "evidence presented to you" is all the evidence, and thus that your opinion does not have flaws in it. Its a fault in most peoples methods of debate.

No one will ever have all the evidence; and not all evidence is unbiased;

however examine the Patriot Act for yourself and try telling me that it does not suspend rights granted you by your constitution.

Look at Guantanamo; who extridited these supposed criminals to this prison under which authority, moreover, if these are not american citizens and they are not in the United States; how are they to be imprisoned by your government without the permission of their own governments; never mind that almost all there are being held without charge.

[Lohman446]

No one will ever have all the evidence; and not all evidence is unbiased;

however examine the Patriot Act for yourself and try telling me that it does not suspend rights granted you by your constitution.

Look at Guantanamo; who extridited these supposed criminals to this prison under which authority, moreover, if these are not american citizens and they are not in the United States; how are they to be imprisoned by your government without the permission of their own governments; never mind that almost all there are being held without charge.

I never claimed it didn't. At the time most Americans were willing to give up certain freedoms for "more safety". Personally I would guess it just made legitimate certain activites that were probably already ongoing.

As to Guantanamo I would say that, historically, war has allowed for the holding of prisoners captured in relation to the battlefield.

For not being right or left, you seem to be pretty one sided on your questioning :P .

[bornl33t]

need a huge friggin shovel to clean up the liberal guano in this thread.

I second.

[t0nnn]

just found out they owned a pizza shop in my town ...and one of the houses that got raided is about 2 minutes from me