what do you want in a marker????

[snoopay700]

hehe your mentioning of a car reminds me of a Chris Rock comedy routine....girls always move up the food chain, at first they are happy just to have a boyfriend, then they meet a guy with a car. No more waiting around for rides or waiting in the cold for the bus.....they will never date a guy without a car again. Then they meet a guy with an apartment. No more hanging around the parents and having to be careful about "stuff"...they will never date a guy living at home again. Oh god, I forgot the punchline lol.

Haha, yeah, i dunno, girls are trouble, like i definitely think i need them, but they just aggravate me so much sometimes. Anyway i found out how to actually make assemblies so i'm going to mate all teh parts in my sketch, i just roughly lined them up before.

[Spider-TW]

yea I did say "what do you want?"......if you dont mind me asking, how realistic? I go for simplicity, exterior features add complexity, but I agree mill-sim look would gain a lot of people's interests/attention, its one of the many exterior designs I'm thinking of. I like how mill-sim often involves mounting rails, expands possibilities of accessories.

Not necessarily mil-sim, just military specification components. A huge amount of money has gone into designing and building common components that meet particular failure rates. Some rates aren't that impressive, but the idea is that you know more about when they will die on you. Some parts are very expensive, but others are not that much more for making the specification.

Electronic failure can be solved by design, but the big problem is matching reliable actuators to your well programmed brick. Knowing the compensation factors for ROF and being able to kick the regulator around that fast are two different problems. That would definitely be 'bleeding edge' in terms of cost versus payback.

While I'm dreaming , there are chrome lined air cylinders and such that always seemed like they would be useful if you were building a whole new marker. Like picking out MPA-3s and MSV-2s to design around. I always liked Beswick's fittings and components (stainless ). The only problem with building with good off the shelf parts is that they are cheap because of some other market. If that other market dries up, so do your cheap parts.

[Hilltop Customs]

the whole reason I like avoiding the use of off-the-shelf parts is, they are already set in stone and you have to design around them. If you can simply integrate their components or similar components(ever see the acrylic pneu-mag?) into your initial design, costs will drop dramatically....but on the other hand part numbers slightly increase. I see where you are coming from, and that would work extremely well is the production numbers were low(say custom grip frames like G Force), but I'm more interested in volume and fitting the marker into many configs to fit customer desires :)

[Hilltop Customs]

Haha, yeah, i dunno, girls are trouble, like i definitely think i need them, but they just aggravate me so much sometimes. Anyway i found out how to actually make assemblies so i'm going to mate all teh parts in my sketch, i just roughly lined them up before.

crap didnt see this, yeah mates will really help. :) Once you get everything mated up you can do interference detection(under evaluate tab in sworks 2008, just search in the help for it if you cant find it) It will tell you if you have any conflicting dimensions. IDK if you do it already, but as your drawing stuff up you should always dimension it using sketch->smart dimension and then clicking on lines you want to dimension...play around with it and you will learn tricks to speed up and not over-define....it is intuitive if you have any drafting experience. Its good practice for viewing/fully dimensioning your sketches, and also allows for extremely fast changing of dimensions once the sketch is complete.

I didnt even think about mentioning that stuff be4, sorry probably would have helped. Oh well, if you have any questions feel free to shoot me a pm, I'll help any way I can. Using the help file can provide some rapid help that is written up pretty good too. I think there might some be some youtube tutorial videos also.



Ive only heard one or two opinions expanding onto hopper location?!?! I thought at least a few people would be interested in a q-loader or warp setups?!?!?! Everyone think blimp hoppers to the pinnacle of innovation? I hope not. :) How about tank angle/location? anyone have a setup they prefer over the standard? Ive only used a 68ci and 22ci tanks, the 22ci had me thinking of some crazy tank positions, but the 68 just seems too big to move anywhere else. anyone know where I can get dimensions for a 45/45? I have one alternate tank position that just might work with a slightly smaller tank than a 68ci.

Oh and anyone know where to get dimensions of a warp feed(preferably internals too)? I thought ZDS had something, but I guess not. And another question to anyone who might know....Halos have a pressurized feed right, how high of a ball stack can they push? I'm going to have to try it, but my halos are both destoryed, waiting for a powerlyte shell to cannibalize the 2 into.

[Miltonyz]

I'm not an engineer so maybe my idea are too simplistic but why do we need a secondary regulator anymore. Why not have the full 450 or 850 from the tank reg run straight into the gun? Let it fill a dump chamber of some sort and then simply control velocity through a valve open time value. Is the technology just not there the give us precise enough valve timing, or is the pressure to high for a solenoid practical for paintball.

[Sundown]

Ive only heard one or two opinions expanding onto hopper location?!?! I thought at least a few people would be interested in a q-loader or warp setups?!?!?!

Well I might be old game.. but I have my hopper directly on top of my gun :)
I have never tried warp feed, but it looks a little bulky to me.
As for Q-loader, never tried as the feedback I got was not super. Altough it looks nice and all.
I used to play with a good old Tippmann and loved the fact that the feedneck was ''offset'' But now I am kinda used to a vertical feedneck with my mag.

How about tank angle/location? anyone have a setup they prefer over the standard? Ive only used a 68ci and 22ci tanks, the 22ci had me thinking of some crazy tank positions, but the 68 just seems too big to move anywhere else.[/B] anyone know where I can get dimensions for a 45/45? I have one alternate tank position that just might work with a slightly smaller tank than a 68ci.

As for a tank setup, well I usually play with a remote as I play more woodsball and just stick the tank on my vest or pouch. But If I were to put a tank directly on my gun, I would like it to be in a tight fit. As I like my marker close to me when shooting.
For the size of the tank, well it depends on the efficiency of the marker. I kinda need a tank that can give me at least 500-600 shots... at least
but when I play with remote, I don't really need to worry about size as I can strap on a 92/4500 easily.

[Hilltop Customs]

Miltonyz: hehe IMO an engineer is no better at coming up with good ideas than anyone else, they are just good at putting ideas to paper and determining a way to make the ideas happen in real life. Eliminating the need for parts is one of the best ways to lower costs/increase reliability/decrease failure points. Removing that reg was one of my main goals, but I seemed to hit a brick wall everytime I started getting deeper into the design....I'll have to revisit it and try some new ideas.

Sundown: I agree about the warp looking bulky. You should try one out sometime if you ever get the chance....its not as bad as it looks. One of the things I dont like about it though is placing the hopper beside the gun.....If I had a choice I would rather have everything directly in line, access to both sides of the grip for switching hands, and no exposed warp hose. I really like the idea of warp and q-loading, I just dont think anyone has pushed marker design to really include this feed.

If you dont mind me asking: how do you run your remote hose/setup? I played with a remote and stock for a few games....and after the hose got caught on brush/sticks and just generally got in the way I got rid of it and never really looked back. I also didnt like the pack idea, you say you put it in a vest? that sounds much more supportive, meaning less bouncing around of the tank, which is one of the reason I really hated putting a tank in a pack.

[Sundown]

Hilltop:

Well I have a Vest like this one.
It's a MOLLE vest so I can arrange all pouches how I like it and I just put the tank in the back. I must admit that I would need a better tank pouch then that big dump pouch I have on my MOLLE vest.
But for now my big dump pouch works fine.

I have a remote cover for my remote that I got from a guy from the A5OG site.
I never had any problems with it and never got caught or twisted around or anything.
I also have an CP On/off ASA and a Pro-disconnect to connect the remote to the marker and I am able to just take the remote off my marker without turning off my tank and firing all the air out of my remote.
the Pro-disconnect is also something I got from a guy on the A5OG site. These things don't have any o-rings like the ''slide checks''. So no broken o-rings all the time. and no problems :)

I must admit I never really tried a tank on my marker as I always dressed up like a G.I. Joe to play paintball I also use a 92/4500 tank.. so it might be to big to put on my marker.. haha Even my 68/4500 is a little big IMO. So I would need to buy myself a 45/45.

But I really want to try a more relaxing and lighter setup with a tank on my marker and a small pouch to put my pods. I also never played with my pods on my back..... like I said I dress up like a G.I. Joe...

(edit) I also do not play with a stock as I dont really like it.

As for the Warp feed.. I would love to try one out, but like you said = I don't like the hopper and big warp feed on the side of my marker.. I would find it in my way.

[WARPED1]

In a marker, I want fast speeds. No sear tripped markers, easy barrel threads(like 'cocker), easily adjustable(regs, velocity)
High ROF, easily upgradeable. Basically a Shocker.

[malJohann]

..busy with my own design...

Stumbled upon this thread by accident, because I'm interested in buying a Tac-One and got to this forum. I registered here before specifically to make an OTP on Muzikman's FN303. By the way, I'm from South-Africa and have been playing recball since the mid-90's. Only bought my own equipment early this year, but identified lots of areas for improvement early on.

Anyway, like several guys on this thread, I'm also busy with my own design. I've had no show stoppers so far in terms of design, but holding a day job, working on my own project after hours and keeping the wife happy all the while takes time and some fancy footwork.

The design brief I set myself was basically to build a marker that's mechanical (but designed to easily accept aftermarket electronic kits), has select-fire modes (semi, burst and auto) and high BPS capability, is reliable, durable, compact, modular, configurable (in terms of overall shape, ergonomics and balance), has one or more rails (dovetail or picatinny) whether someone playing speedball or woodsball is going to use it, and has an integrated hopper system (much like the one on the ATS markers) that can be mounted either on top or like a magazine.

Above all innovation is top priority for me, so it works on a completely new mechanism. I even considered making tolerances on the internals precise enough to eliminate o-rings, but decided early on that friction, reliability and manufacturing costs would likely be a problem.

[snoopay700]

crap didnt see this, yeah mates will really help. :) Once you get everything mated up you can do interference detection(under evaluate tab in sworks 2008, just search in the help for it if you cant find it) It will tell you if you have any conflicting dimensions. IDK if you do it already, but as your drawing stuff up you should always dimension it using sketch->smart dimension and then clicking on lines you want to dimension...play around with it and you will learn tricks to speed up and not over-define....it is intuitive if you have any drafting experience. Its good practice for viewing/fully dimensioning your sketches, and also allows for extremely fast changing of dimensions once the sketch is complete.

I didnt even think about mentioning that stuff be4, sorry probably would have helped. Oh well, if you have any questions feel free to shoot me a pm, I'll help any way I can. Using the help file can provide some rapid help that is written up pretty good too. I think there might some be some youtube tutorial videos also.



Ive only heard one or two opinions expanding onto hopper location?!?! I thought at least a few people would be interested in a q-loader or warp setups?!?!?! Everyone think blimp hoppers to the pinnacle of innovation? I hope not. :) How about tank angle/location? anyone have a setup they prefer over the standard? Ive only used a 68ci and 22ci tanks, the 22ci had me thinking of some crazy tank positions, but the 68 just seems too big to move anywhere else. anyone know where I can get dimensions for a 45/45? I have one alternate tank position that just might work with a slightly smaller tank than a 68ci.

Oh and anyone know where to get dimensions of a warp feed(preferably internals too)? I thought ZDS had something, but I guess not. And another question to anyone who might know....Halos have a pressurized feed right, how high of a ball stack can they push? I'm going to have to try it, but my halos are both destoryed, waiting for a powerlyte shell to cannibalize the 2 into.

Yeah i smart dimension everything, and thanks to my class i have a lot more experience with solidworks, hopefully i can make my marker sexier after my midterms tomorrow. I get to study and go to bed early tonight so i can try to uninfect my lymphs in my neck, hoorah.

Oh, and actually i came up with a new design for a bolt less paintball gun IN MY SLEEP last night, it was crazy, like i was talking to my friends in my dream and they mentioned what they wanted in a marker, and then i thought it up, it was pretty durn insane. There are problems with it, but i don't see why it wouldn't work.

[Hilltop Customs]

Yeah i smart dimension everything, and thanks to my class i have a lot more experience with solidworks, hopefully i can make my marker sexier after my midterms tomorrow. I get to study and go to bed early tonight so i can try to uninfect my lymphs in my neck, hoorah.

Oh, and actually i came up with a new design for a bolt less paintball gun IN MY SLEEP last night, it was crazy, like i was talking to my friends in my dream and they mentioned what they wanted in a marker, and then i thought it up, it was pretty durn insane. There are problems with it, but i don't see why it wouldn't work.

I always have ideas pop in my head as I'm laying in bed trying to get to sleep....it kills me because I know I will forget if I dont write it down, but I dont want to get up and wake myself up even more to write it down. Never had one in my sleep, but then again I cant remember my dreams unless I wake up extremely abruptly.

bolt less, like a trap door feed or something?

[snoopay700]

I always have ideas pop in my head as I'm laying in bed trying to get to sleep....it kills me because I know I will forget if I dont write it down, but I dont want to get up and wake myself up even more to write it down. Never had one in my sleep, but then again I cant remember my dreams unless I wake up extremely abruptly.

bolt less, like a trap door feed or something?

Sort of like that, i dunno, it's something i've always wanted to do but could never find a good way to do it, until now i think.

[WARPED1]

Stumbled upon this thread by accident, because I'm interested in buying a Tac-One and got to this forum. I registered here before specifically to make an OTP on Muzikman's FN303. By the way, I'm from South-Africa and have been playing recball since the mid-90's. Only bought my own equipment early this year, but identified lots of areas for improvement early on.

Anyway, like several guys on this thread, I'm also busy with my own design. I've had no show stoppers so far in terms of design, but holding a day job, working on my own project after hours and keeping the wife happy all the while takes time and some fancy footwork.

The design brief I set myself was basically to build a marker that's mechanical (but designed to easily accept aftermarket electronic kits), has select-fire modes (semi, burst and auto) and high BPS capability, is reliable, durable, compact, modular, configurable (in terms of overall shape, ergonomics and balance), has one or more rails (dovetail or picatinny) whether someone playing speedball or woodsball is going to use it, and has an integrated hopper system (much like the one on the ATS markers) that can be mounted either on top or like a magazine.

Above all innovation is top priority for me, so it works on a completely new mechanism. I even considered making tolerances on the internals precise enough to eliminate o-rings, but decided early on that friction, reliability and manufacturing costs would likely be a problem.

Sounds like it would be a nice marker.

[Hilltop Customs]

wow WARPED1 I'm glad you quoted that....I completely missed it.

malJohann: I agree, innovation is the only reason I'm interested in this....I want to fit the paintball player, not give the player something they have to get used to. I dont think the current setup is anywhere near ideal....especially considering the hopper configuration that is generally accepted.

ahhh got to go to class, might edit this later