** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[ou8onetwo]

bolt stick&rapid fire

Guys,

Post your LVL10 issues here we will try to help.

AGD

i just bought a new x-valve from agd, i installed it, shot it, it was fine. played the following week-end the gun done good all except some times the gun would not fire i could point the gun at the ground it would shoot .so i figured i had too small of a carrier.changed to the next size carrier(this is the only thing i changed)gased up the gun now when i fire the bolt sticks foward and if the bolt doesnt stick it fires like 2 or 3 times.....whats going on here

[finchyo]

bolt stick

hi all,

This is my set up at the mo:

New Tac-one
Lv10- longest spring
Snug carrier- one line on it, i have moved up one from no lines and the next one after this i think is too loose
2 shims in Lv10- from standard
285-295 fps
800 psi input
ULT- 7shims
Sear- 1mm from trigger

Well the problem is that when i fire the gun it will work fine sometimes but every now and then the spring will not push the bolt back fully in to place and push the sear back against the trigger. What i have to do is take my hopper off and push the bolt back with my finger a few mm's until it clicks in place. I have oiled all the nessercerry parts and oil in the ASA but i think it is a carrier problem, maybe i'm wrong, but i can't think of anything else but the oring might need to be worn in as it is a new gun (put about 500 balls through it up until now). But also could it be that i have too many shims in the ULT??

I will have to experiment this week end when i get more air but dose ne1 have ne ideas??

Thanks, finchyo

[athomas]

It could be either the carrier or the ULT. As the carrier o-ring gets broken in, it will become more loose and should work better as time goes on. Therefore, it is more likely that the ULT is causing your problems than the level 10. Since you have tried the different carriers and have settled on one that you deem to be the correct size, try removing 1 shim from the ULT first.

When sizing your carrier, remove all shims from the level 10. Then use the largest carrier that does not leak.

[dyepb]

carriers...

just curious... what do you use to pop the carrier out?? i've been having a hard time switching between carriers and i've sliced some o-rings on the threads, even after oiling it up?

[athomas]

Use the field strip screw. Put the screw end into center of the carrier. Put some side pressure on the screw and gently pull the carrier out of the powertube.

[finchyo]

Springs?

Hi all,

With my lvl ten have a small gold one, and then two roughly the same size, a red on and a silver one.

Can someone tell me why the three springs and which one to use. I have always used the silver spring at 285-295 fps.

thanks, finchyo

[athomas]

The gold spring is the stock spring for level 7 and the lightest spring on the level 10. Red is the middle tension spring on the level 10 and the silver is the stiffest spring on the level 10.

Gold = most impact
red = less impact
silver = least impact

The object is to use the stiffest spring that will allow your mag to fire consistently without hesitation and within your desired velocity range.. If you can use the silver spring with no firing issues, then you are using the proper one for your setup.

[Stoble]

lv 10 spring change

Hey mag guys, I've got a micromag and just installed a lv 10. I'm currently using 1.5 carrier, gold spring and 2 shims. I am trying to make it a bit softer on paint so I put in the red spring. I had to turn up the velocity for it to shoot, but when I test the anti chop with a pen it hits way harder than with the gold spring. It hardly seems to vent at all with the red spring. Whats the deal?

[athomas]

Hey mag guys, I've got a micromag and just installed a lv 10. I'm currently using 1.5 carrier, gold spring and 2 shims. I am trying to make it a bit softer on paint so I put in the red spring. I had to turn up the velocity for it to shoot, but when I test the anti chop with a pen it hits way harder than with the gold spring. It hardly seems to vent at all with the red spring. Whats the deal?

Using a pen doesn't work too well. It is too thin. The level 10 bolt only works in the first 1/4" of the breach. Once the bolt moves past that point, it goes to full force in order to maintain a fast cycling speed. I'll bet that if you put a squeegie or some object against the bolt face through the front, it will be quite soft.

[scootermn]

hello, I'm new to the autmag and this would be my first AGD product, I have been having some problems with it as of now though. I have a Stock ULE R/T custom with X-valve and a powerlyte speedline barrell, other than that it stock. (just ordered it 2-3 weeks ago)
My problem is, when I hook up the HPA bottle, it dumps air out like mad and doesn't stop untill I pull the trigger, then it stops, but when I release it, it proceeds to dumping air again.

Thanks for your help!
Scooter AKA Mag newbie!

[athomas]

Its good that it stops when you hold the trigger. That means the problem is in the powertube of the valve. A leak down the barrel usually indicates too many shims or a carrier that is too loose. The first step to diagnosing the probelm is to remove all the shims from the level 10 setup. If it still leaks, then check the carrier and o-ring. Test fit the carrier and o-ring onto the stem of the bolt. It should be snug but not tight. Try the next size smaller carrier than the one you are using now. Make sure you use the same o-ring.

[scootermn]

Its good that it stops when you hold the trigger. That means the problem is in the powertube of the valve. A leak down the barrel usually indicates too many shims or a carrier that is too loose. The first step to diagnosing the probelm is to remove all the shims from the level 10 setup. If it still leaks, then check the carrier and o-ring. Test fit the carrier and o-ring onto the stem of the bolt. It should be snug but not tight. Try the next size smaller carrier than the one you are using now. Make sure you use the same o-ring.

I used the smallest carrier in the kit and it leaks no more, tonite however I will try to take out some of the shims (I have 2 as per instructions in there) and put the next largest carrier in! thank you!

[Frontal]

After reading through the entire level 10 thread (41 pages), I found no one with this same problem-so I thought it necessitated a post. I have a minimag with a male stab reg, gas thru stock, remote, and 20 oz Co2. Level 10 works great for like 50 shots +/- 3 fps, beautiful but then the bolt stops fully cycling... kinda like when I degas the remote and fire until not enough gas is left in the lines for a full cycle. Have tried every possible combo of spring/carrier/shim it always happens. Was wondering what you guys thought? I think that it might have to do with the tank chilling but the stab shows consistent pressure and the gun reg isnt noticeably cold so liquid isnt jacking with my gun... just ran out of ideas.

[scootermn]

my guess, from what I know which isn't a lot is to put the next bigger carrier in, correct all you mag nerds?

[kevdupuis]

Since your using a minimag with a twistlock barrel. replace the two barrel o-rings. What it sounds like is the orings are worn allowing the barrel to wobble slightly causing the bolt to stick.
I went through this on an old power feed during the beta test of the lvl 10.