** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[lillfroboy]

is it the bolt sticking or what we need exact details

[Moats]

It is the sear and pin not coming back out, so the gun can not shoot.

[Snewk]

I got level 10 installed, Automag Classic. Used 1.5 carrier, long spring, 2 shims it works...but. When I short stroke on purpose it doesnt fire, but when I shoot it properly after short stroking and it vents, two balls shoot out.

BlackVCG: Sounds like your gun is on the threshold of working/not working. Try turning up the velocity a bit or going one size larger on the carrier. Also, stick your finger in up close to the bolt and hold it there. If it hits your finger and doesn't vent, then add shims until it does.

I can stick a barrel cleaner in the breech and it vents properly, just after that it shoots out two balls.

BlackVCG: Replace your nubbins with new ones. If you're using metal nubbins, get the plastic ones.

10-4 good buddy.

[lillfroboy]

take it apart and make sure its in correctly or you can call agd for more info

[jerminator]

not sure if its my reg piston or what

i am using mm11859 the number 2 carrier 2 shims and the shortest spring it works great but if i turn up my velocity anymore it vents out the back im not sure if i should replace my reg piston or try changing the pieces i use in the level ten
i am also using a pure energy 4500psi 68cu tank any help would be greatly appreciated

BlackVCG: You need a new reg. piston. If you're going to be at the Ballahpalooza tournament at the Washington County Fairgrounds, I'll be there and can help you out.


where is that exactly and when ????
and would it be wise to change my spring back to

[lillfroboy]

Moats, What I Think It Is, Is The Bolt Sticking So The Gun Can't Cock If The Bolt Isn't In Firing Posintion ( Just Assuming)

[emile518]

Re: Reg Piston

I have an older mag built around 1993 and when I installed the Level 10 upgrade I had the same problem. After replacing the REG PISTON and SPRING PACK I could turn the velocity all the way up to like 375(just for testing) using the middle spring. This will allow you to use any spring, even the longest without venting.

[Jason Reed]

i am having snews problem also.

[Restola]

Problem and solution

Here is a problem I had that seemed perplexing, but was amazingly easy to fix.

I installed level 10, everything seemed to be working fine. But if I didn't shoot for 10-15 seconds the first shot would just "pffft" and half-shoot. I figured it was leaking, but I listened VERY hard and nothing, I shifted around the barrel, nothing. Finally I just put the next smaller carrier in (1.5) even though it seemed too tight. Worked PERFECTLY all day for 2000 rds.

[PsychoMag]

ok...here's my problem

I have rebuilt my Emag several times with the LX upgrade. I have it set very sweet as I am told, pretty gentle on the finger etc...

My problem is when I go to manual mode, the gun doesnt fire. It wants to, but just doesnt. Seems like the pull isnt long enough to release the bolt, yet in Emode it is the sweetest thing on the market.

What do I do?

BlackVCG: Are you using one of Timmy's blade triggers? If so, that's your problem and the only way to fix it is put back the stock double trigger. If you're using the stock trigger, then make sure that the trigger rod is 2.125".

PsychoMag: I hav the stock trigger on it since I believe in 100%genuine AGD parts, but I will check the measurement of the rod length tomorrow. Thanks for the response

[Bartleby]

I'm sorry to say i am in a bit of a bind. I don't have time to read all the posts on this thread looking for my specific problem, but i type real fast so i figure just post it and run. Here's the scoop:

I have a small leak out the back. It was not there before i installed level 10, and did not begin to leak untill i increased the velocity to bring the fps to 250. At this setting, i get a very slight leak out the back of the valve, when i turn the velocity down, the leak stops untill i fire a few times at whcih point the leak starts up again. I'm not sure if this is actually from level 10 or just from an o-ring in the original valve. by the way, the valve is just a normal 68 Automag valve. Everything is original with the exception of level 10.

Thanks for your help. And once again, i'm sorry if someone has already presented this problem.

BlackVCG: You need a new piston. It's venting out the back due to the increased pressure needed to operate the gun with LVL 10.

[Skweegi]

Level 10 Scarring the barrel

First off thanks for being about the only manufacturer to be this aggressive in communicating with and helping their customers. That is sorely appreciated.

I have a Centerfeed RT Pro with a Centerflag Hyperframe. I installed the L10 no problem following the directions. My problem is that the bolt is tearing through the anodizing on the inside of my barrels.

I closely inspected the bolt and did not see any obvious protrusions, burrs, etc. The barrel in the picture is a Smart Parts All-American Teardrop .690 so I know its not the smallest internal diameter barrel around. I am scared to think what would happen with a .686 barrel.

The picture is the least blurry i can seem to muster with the cheap crackerjack camera I got. You can see the silver streak though, it has never developed anything of this nature using regular bolts.

Please advise. Thanks

Matt Falbe
NE Hurricanes
AKA Fish
AKA Skweegi

AGD: switch to your stock barrel and see if the problem persists. Also make sure you put the cut end of the mainspring toward the back of the bolt.

[ogre55]

Leaking Lvl 10

Please help.

I shoot an RT Classic

I just installed, or tried to install, level 10. No matter what I do the gun leaks both through the barrell and out the back. I tried everything I know how. Changed the velocity. Installed 2 shims, one shim, no shims. Tried all the various carriers.

Still no luck.

Then, out of frustration, I installed my level 7 parts back and it worked like a charm. Chopped one ball all day and that was when I showed off to a friend how fast the gun can shoot. (He was complaining that someone was shooting FA because of how fast they were shooting and I had to show him just how fast one can shoot a semi.)

Thanks in advance.

Ogre
AGD: you need a new reg piston we have them in the store.

[Potatoboy]

A bit of an update.

After finally having access to my tank again I gassed up the classic with the medium spring, and the proper carrier for the bolt.

It fired!
I don't have a chrono, but it looks like less than 280 just by the trajectory of the ball.

Screwing the velocity nut in anymore causes the pressure relief to vent.

[spyder3634]

ok, maybe this has been answered by someone, if it has then it should be an easy fix.

i have LX in my emag, it worked fine for a while, but now it just shoots like a regular emag. today my friend who doesnt even play chopped one with it. basically, i have all the LX internals in but it still shoots like it used to before i got LX. any help would be great. thanks

AGD: we cant help you unless you give us all the specifics of what exactly is installed in your gun.

Spyder3634: ok, i have 1.5 carrier, 2 shims, any spring it does the same thing, i think thats all you need. i have to go work right now but if you need for more info i will post later.