** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[obsolete898]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
Bam86 use some high strength loctite to secure the piston.

shadow462 check your on/off pin, on/off o'rings, clean and oil your valve.

Strider stay with the 2 carrier and try less shims. Are you chrono'ing down in the 250's with the cut spring? If not then goto the short spring.

obsolete898 All your problems might be solved just by going with a larger carrier(the largest that doesnt leak). It will require less pressure to move the bolt and less pressure means slower bolt speed(a tighter carrier does NOT slow the bolt down more). Also make sure cut side of spring is on the bolt.

I'll try that but I think it leaks. We'll see. Thanx a bunch.

[minion450]

[Havoc_online]

I understand your point but thats what the ALL Level 10 info here thread is for. a different page

[magnj]

OK I have a question, Sorry if it was already asked but 12 pages is toomuch for me. I added my level 10 in lat nite, It leaked with the first carrier I put in (2 grooves)and 2 shims so I changed to the 1 grove carrier. I had to jack up the velocity to get it to work like they said i would. But I have a leak out the back sometimes. So I have to turn the velocity a little and then it will fire and i can sadjust it down. Also if I had previously lowered the velocity( It was shooting fine )Then left it too long without shooting I would pull the trigger and nothing would happen. Sometomes two pulls and it would start up again and sometime its would have to be adjusted again. Whats wrong? Shims? thanks

[drummr6]

put in the 1.5 carrier and it should work fine. (1 groove, 1 dot)

[bryceeden]

I have heard that the LX has poor CO2 efficiency, is this true or just internet gossip?



Bryce Eden-team captain of Dyslexia

[fire1811]

ok been tryin to got my lvl X tunned for a bit now and
thought i had it done but...
all seem fine on lvl X. no leak down barrel. easy on finger, dont chop but i shoot the gun and it will work fine for a minute and then boom something happens and air just starts blowin out the back of the gun. FAST.
its not the sputter like over velocity its just a straight rush of air.
any ideas what i need to replace or do
thanks

another thing i now noticed when i put finger in to stop bolt when i release the trigger it blows out the back velocity hole pretty hard?

[Magluvr]

I don't really know if this is a problem but...

When I installed level 10 it will NEVER fire with either the long or mid length springs. It only fires with the little one. And the body doesn't vent any excess CO2, and the CO2 is full, I had it filled right before installation.
So, it seems to hit the ball a little harder than it should. So any comments would be greatly appreciated.

[magnj]

Lx makes your gun 5-10% less efficient I hear

do your realy think I need a bigger carrier?

[LawFox32]

has anyone noticed a loss of softness in the LX bolt over time; when I set up my LX(long spring clipped to run at 290 w/o bolt-stick; two shims and 1.5 carrier) it worked perfectly; it could not chop, that was about a month ago; what I have noticed is that I have begun chopping with the LX; it is pretty hard on my finger, which it was not hard at all last month.

any ideas

thanx a lot

could it be that the compression of the spring caused it to shorten and the bolt to speed up b/c there is less spring pressing against it; has anyone else noticed this problem

P.S. I can put a ball halfway in the breach and it will chop it

[Havoc_online]

magnj yes, try the 1.5

bryceeden yes efficiency is lost but not much when set-up properly

fire1811 your reg piston may be going out, try a new one.

Magluvr when you used the cut spring you couldnt turn up your velocity high enough to fire? are you sure you were using the biggest carrier that didnt leak? See if you could cut about a half a coil off your cut spring, that will require less pressure to cycle and will be softer than the stock bolt.

LawFox32 the springs should last years, not months. It's got to be something else. the only thing that would wear that fast would be the o'ring break-in(aside from a shifting bolt piston on beta lx bolts), once it would break in a bit(even to the point of not leaking) it'll need less force to move so the same amount of pressure would make the bolt move faster. try chrono'ing to see where your at, if not, again make sure you using the biggest carrier that doesnt leak. (this is on a classic valve right?) also make sure you bumper is in good shape and not sticking to your bolt or shredding between the bolt and powertube.

[gcube]

level 10 retro

im having problems now with the level 10 i had it in my AIR valve (never had a problem never choped balls)before putting it in the retro valve ,here is the problem i put it in and it shoots fine no leaks,but when i do a squeegy test it vents out but wont reset it self tried messin with the shims springs still wont reset with the squeegy testthis is whats in there now cut spring 1.5 carrier and 2 shims but i tried the long spring and it still does it.can anyone help im getting a heaach looking through the level10 thread

[BlackVCG]

Does the bolt push forward start leaking and constantly leak and not move back, or does it go forward leak and then stop leaking and not move back?

[gcube]

the bolt pushes forward and constatly leaks and not move back

[magnj]

thanks the 1.5 works great