BlackVCG's ULT Thread

[Dayspring]

ACTUALLY-

The ULT solves one of the problems the Hyperframes had- the solenoid couldn't push the on/off pin.

With the reduced pressure on the pin, the noid can now do it's job.

And yes. You can play with the dwell a little on the Hyperframe to save some battery life.

Originally posted by the larch
Not really, The whole purpose of the ule is to lighten the trigger pull. Since with a hyper frame, your finger will no longer have a mechanical link to the on/off, it probably won't help at all. I would save up and shop for a retro, or x valve. Something that can recharge quicker so that you don't end up with any shoot down.

[the larch]

Yes, the ult trigger works with the x-valve quite nicely.
I also suggest reading this thread. http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...hreadid=105646

[RagingFalcon]

short stroke 10 times a second? wtf?

Does anybody else have this problem? with the ULT if i try to find a sweet spot i end up short stroking 10 times a second. not really sure what to do. for now i went back to the stock on/off. thanks for any suggestions

[greenkill]

I have a Xvalve, and when i installed my ULT, i removed my current on/off, and the oring at the bottom. When I first gas'ed up, it fired by itself, but then the on/off wouldn't reset, it'd say depress in the valve. The instructions said if it wouldn't fire keep adding shims to it does. So I added all 5 ULT shims, and same result. I then proceeded to remove 4 ULT shims, and add 2 LX shims, 2 ULT shims so that'd be equivalent to 6 ULT shims. Same thing. I added another shim and the same problem. I'm out of shims and ideas of what to do... Any suggestions?

And I made sure that each time I installed the on/off that the holes were lining up 1 hole to the bolt, 1 to the back of the valve, and one each to each of the sides of the valve.

[xmaglover00420]

ROF

I've ocasionally had my selenoid stick in my xmag. Sometimes I can fire it once in manual and it fires after that, but it has stuck before and not come loose. When I clean out my on/off pin it usually helps but it'll still do it from time to time. It seems like the ULT will help this, but will it cause any shoot-down at high ROF? I have a flatline reg and can turn up the pressure. I like the idea of the trigger pull in manual being closer to the pull in electronic mode, but don't want to sacrifice being able to shoot a rope.

[Joni]

Rev or Evo II?

If i get a X-valve and ULT to my classic, is it enough with at rev, or should i get an evo II?

[Jerhew]

i personally think a rev will be fine..
i don't think i've had any problems...
i've had a few chuffs but i think that was mainly from me short stroking
an Evo would be overkill in this case(plus i don't like how they sit on the gun)i've been considering a reloader kit for my rev though...

[headcase]

OK, I've done some searching, and haven't really found the answer I'm looking for.

from BlackVCG's original post

This on/off assembly can fit but is NOT recommended for the following:

E-Mags w/ double o-ring top
Micro E-Mags
MiniMag AIR Valves
68Automag Valves
Classic Automag Valves
HyperMags
SmartMags

I understand that the ULT will not work well in the last four of the list because they don't have the RT effect and do not recharge fast enough. But what is the problem with the e-mag versions?

Thanks for your time.

[Jerhew]

the smaller pin allows for less flow which will slow down e/x-mags...
the reason it doesn't affect rt/x valved guns is because they aren't as fast as e/x-mags

im not totally clear how apparent this is, but that is the reason that was given.

[headcase]

Originally posted by Jerhew
the smaller pin allows for less flow which will slow down e/x-mags...
the reason it doesn't affect rt/x valved guns is because they aren't as fast as e/x-mags

im not totally clear how apparent this is, but that is the reason that was given.

So the problem isn't the valve itself, but the marker it is in? The old E-mag valve would be just fine in a mech marker?

[Jerhew]

well ya the old emag valve is just an rt valve...
just as the x-mag valve is an x-valve found in the newer rt-pros(or upgraded classics/minis...etc)
--technically speaking there really is only 2 different valves...ones with and without a reactive trigger--

the problem is the rate of fire differences between mechanical and electronic markers

[headcase]

Originally posted by Jerhew
well ya the old emag valve is just an rt valve...
just as the x-mag valve is an x-valve found in the newer rt-pros(or upgraded classics/minis...etc)
--technically speaking there really is only 2 different valves...ones with and without a reactive trigger--

the problem is the rate of fire differences between mechanical and electronic markers

The way I read the first post is that the only valves that are supposed to use the ULT are the newest aluminum valves regardless of application(understanding that the ULT shouldn't be used in E/X-Mags) My question is, what is the internal difference between the old E-mag(2 o-ring versions) and the X-valves. It seems apparent to me that the change was not just a different material

[Jerhew]

nope.
as long as you have 2 o-rings(and aren't using it in an e/x-mag) you're good to go.
other than material, there is no noteworthy difference between the two

in fact i milled out my old 1 o-ring rt valve(basically making it a 2 o-ring valve) and dropped the ult in...works perfectly.

[tdogreb]

ult problem

just got my ult. should the on off pin go all the way through the on off support mine pin will not. also when i got the ult the pin was stuck in the on off support and would not come out.had to use pliers to get it out.please help

[xmaglover00420]

I don't understand

ok,
the x valve is an aluminum rt valve, right? then why would the ult work well in a rt pro and not an xmag? I've seen an old rt shoot 20 bps. if the ult will restrict flow, then it woulnd't be a good upgrade for those either. someone please tell me what the hell is going on.