PTP going after Brass Eagle

[rabidchihauhau]

Billmi,

my statement remains valid as within the context of discussion it was clear that we were talking about permission.

In regards to 68caliber and permissions - you did the right thing, but that incident took place quite some time ago and general policy has changed at 68caliber; many articles from the site are reprinted, but its with permission - there's no blanket grant to do so.

1. ask permission
2. if its granted, credit 68caliber
3. if not, put up a headline and link to the site

pretty simple if you ask me.

In regards to IP fights breaking out all over, check out this NYTimes story: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/bu...=1&oref=slogin
Johnson & Johnson is suing the Red Cross over their use of the red cross...

[Furby]

No, it's just copying an article without the owner's permission that is infringement.

Not too long ago, a user on WARPIG.com pulled and posted a full article from 68caliber.com. Being a respector of copyright, I deleted the post, and left the follow-up post that provided a link to the article.

The user who posted said that it was with permission, and that Dale Ford (owner of 68 Caliber.com) allows reposting of full articles, so long as 68caliber.com is credited as the source. Dale Ford confirmed to my by e-mail that this is indeed his policy.

I remember that little brew up...I remember the overly patronizing response from you as well...live and learn, eh?

Davidson is right...as I've gone along learning the business and legal side of running a site, my previous policy of not especially caring where my stuff ended up has changed. As a result, I've been called the "Smart Parts of the Paintball Media", been added to the swear filter of an inferior forums site that fancies themselves as news mavens, and worse.

But the traffic on the site has taken a very nice upswing, since enacting this policy and enforcing it, which makes my paying advertisers happy.

[Beemer]

Looks like post #14

Let's go over it one more time:

the LINK is ok and legal.

COPYING the entire article is copyright INFRINGEMENT.

Post #90

No, it's just copying an article without the owner's permission that is infringement.

Not too long ago, a user on WARPIG.com pulled and posted a full article from 68caliber.com. Being a respector of copyright, I deleted the post, and left the follow-up post that provided a link to the article.

The user who posted said that it was with permission, and that Dale Ford (owner of 68 Caliber.com) allows reposting of full articles, so long as 68caliber.com is credited as the source. Dale Ford confirmed to my by e-mail that this is indeed his policy.

Post #76

This thread is not about copyrights.

The issue was taken care of so drop it already. Dont copy and paste unless you have permission. Use a link. Plain and simple. Thanks for the heads up Rabid.

Any more off topic posts will be removed. Carry on.

What was this thread about again? Any new news?

[Furby]

JT Sports (who were just bought out with K2 by Jarden) responded to that PR and I put it up, and as far as I know nothing is going on that I can see, but the arbitration is not part of any sort of legal records I can look up, so until one or the other makes a public statement, we'll have to wait.

[rabidchihauhau]

Yes, as a matter of fact, the "moderators" at PBNation have seen fit to take down a thread on the same subject with no explanation whatsoever.

I wonder if it has anything to do with any connections they might have to JT Sports?

[manike]

Yes, as a matter of fact, the "moderators" at PBNation have seen fit to take down a thread on the same subject with no explanation whatsoever.

I wonder if it has anything to do with any connections they might have to JT Sports?

Not in the slightest.

It's to do with the fact that everyone kept copying in Dale's copyright material and it was impossible to stop them.

To respect Dale's wishes and to protect his copyright the thread was removed.

Simply really. No conspiracy theory needed.

[rabidchihauhau]

this thread is no longer about copyright, but Manike - there was no copyrighted material in that thread on PBN and PBN is not just "respecting Dale's wishes" - talk about putting a fox news spin on things; they deliberately interpreted a request to remove copyrighted material into one to not allow any links to 68caliber at all and put the name of the website back into their swear filter.

You may not be aware of that - but anyone who spends half a second on PBN is.

Don't be an apologist for people who are acting like babies because they can't have 100% of the paintball traffic on the web.

[manike]

Steve, you're the one that continued this with your crazy conspiracy theory.

You are welcome to call me a liar, although I don't appreciate it.

I'm looking at the thread right now. Post number 8, by pa1ntball 56 is very clearly copied directly from 68caliber. Please feel free to contact that individual and check before you call me a liar again.

I am very familiar with the whole issue thank you very much.

If PTP, and I speak to Forest regularly, would like to send a press release to PBN, I will make sure it gets the attention it deserves.

[rabidchihauhau]

that post was removed and the remainder of the thread stayed up there, until taken down yesterday sometime.

What about the other things I mentioned?

[skipdogg]

stop already - take it to PM's, or out back or something.

[Furby]

Jeez...this keeps on I'll end up inheriting Steve's "Most Dangerous Man In Paintball" title I gave him a few years ago...

Funniest thing is, just for S&G's I checked my web traffic after you-know-who put 68 back in the swear filter and oddly enough, it was spiking upwards again. I guess all the lazyasses were going to the site to get the news.

In the meantime, I wish PTP and JT Sports Godspeed and good luck in resolving their differences.

[Beemer]

Hmm, make note to retract post #76 and #93

I did find it odd when I posted this linky http://www.68caliber.com/news/industry/story042535.php

On PBN it showed up as this

http://www.*********.com/news/industry/story042535.php

Around here thats activating the filter and is a no no, so I chose to delete it, Faaaaaaast.
Then again around here you can feel free to post any links to PaintBall sites with out activating the filter.

[rabidchihauhau]

Well, different people have different rules because they're trying to accomplish different goals; like 68caliber took down their forum because it wasn't being conducive to a discussion of the news, and AO let's everyone post whatever they want as long as they're civil - you know, the free flow and exchange of ideas and opinions, and some folks censor stuff because it doesn't fit their world view.

For those interested in discussing copyrights and other IP related matters, I'm starting a new thread on that subject here in paintball talk.

I'm going to ask the assistance of the moderators and participants in keeping it on track and based on the current law and the current facts, as opposed to speculation on things legal based on a lack of a law degree...

If you're interested, please join me over there.