can't understand ballers

[RogueFactor]

Well I see your point but in the case of the PTP bodies, you need to go back and look at the thread. PTP never initiated the thing....
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So I dont think that case really applies here.

Whether they initiated it or not, they got involved and there has been a delay---so it applies. The point here is the hypocrisy of the thread starter to criticize others and not himself or PTP for similarities.

i am a wwa dealer, i have an obligation to make sure any of his or my customers are happy(within reason)

i dont recall me defending him, but as i said offering to help and find the problem if there is one.

If you didnt take the order, you are not obligated to do anything. You do not openly criticize WWA for delays, but you are the first to openly criticize other companies for similarities. Dont know what you call that...but that is most certainly defending and supporting him in my book.

its like somone saying they are unhappy wiht TMS service, while its not you(or is it) you are somewhat obligated to help and give responces where neceary which i know for a fact you have done as a question in responce to an Email from a member sent to TMS

Im not obligated to defend any wrong-doing.And Id be the first to criticize any RPG dealer if I find they are incorrect. I would openly apologize for their mistakes if one was made. I would NOT defend or support any incorrect action.
So no, its not anything alike.

...i think rogue questioining me simply supports rabids post and examples.

Agreed. They simply support the fact that you are both hypocrits. You both say one thing, and do another. You are the first to openly criticize others for delays, but not those you are associated with.

[zaqwert6]

I musta overlooked it but what date did PTP give to deliver bodies? All I could find was a reference to when they could even consider taking on the project. Just curious is all.

[going_home]

I musta overlooked it but what date did PTP give to deliver bodies? All I could find was a reference to when they could even consider taking on the project. Just curious is all.

All Tracy said was they had other obligations and they will definitely get to the new style Micromag body project as soon as possible.
So yeah, like I said, that example doesnt work at all here. Not at all.

[BigEvil]

Hey Lasrsktr, aren't you still waiting on some chord bodies? Whatever happened with that whole thing?

[rabidchihauhau]

I don't think he's talking about me.

That all said, I am beginning to suspect that Rabid's tirades are more driven by having lived a life that fell far short of his expectations, rather than any well defined goal or reasoning. He's grumpy, and therefore the rest of the world ought to be grumpy as well.

Correct

Incorrect.

[RogueFactor]

Hey Lasrsktr, aren't you still waiting on some chord bodies? Whatever happened with that whole thing?

Yeah lasrkstr, do tell! What happened? Were you given the option of getting one early? Did you decide on your own accord to wait? Were you told this all up front? Can you cancel at any time? Have your slugs returned? Yep, thought so.

Its always nice when someone has all the facts.

And of course...I dont complain when there are delays from others...it would be hypocritical

BTW---How long will the delay be on vbulletin?

[Lohman446]

So the argument is becoming... because unexpected (and unannounced, Coolhand I give you a pass on this because you were so up front) are common place in the industry they are ok?

Ridiculous. If I contract something to be done by a certain date and it is not done you are in violation of contract. And yes, your verbal (and written on boards) promises can be part of that contract. The problems that occur during your for profit project are your problems and should not be so easily written off as the customers.

The fact that your suppliers do not meet your expectations is a problem between you and them, and should not be so easily written off as the customers. The fact that your suppliers constantly cause problems that you are surprised by indicates a lack of planning or control of your projects. The fact it happens over and over indicates an entirely different problem.

It is not the customers responsibility to foresee these problems if you do not tell them ahead of time that they are likely to occur.

Just because its "business as normal" does not make it right.

Edit: In only excluding CoolHand I may have been unfair. It was simply the one I recalled off hand being that up front. I know some others are as well.

[RogueFactor]

So the argument is becoming... because unexpected (and unannounced, Coolhand I give you a pass on this because you were so up front) are common place in the industry they are ok?

Ridiculous. If I contract something to be done by a certain date and it is not done you are in violation of contract. And yes, your verbal (and written on boards) promises can be part of that contract. The problems that occur during your for profit project are your problems and should not be so easily written off as the customers.

The fact that your suppliers do not meet your expectations is a problem between you and them, and should not be so easily written off as the customers. The fact that your suppliers constantly cause problems that you are surprised by indicates a lack of planning or control of your projects. The fact it happens over and over indicates an entirely different problem.

It is not the customers responsibility to foresee these problems if you do not tell them ahead of time that they are likely to occur.

Just because its "business as normal" does not make it right.

Yep, and at the end of the day, if you contract something to be done by a certain date and its not done...one option is a refund. Thats standard.

I agree with everything else youve said...the customers only responsibility is to pay.

[Lohman446]

Yep, and at the end of the day, if you contract something to be done by a certain date and its not done...one option is a refund. Thats standard.

I agree with everything else youve said...the customers only responsibility is to pay.

That much is true. Given the option of waiting longer or just getting money back many people opt for simply waiting. I guess the question is this: in many of these projects is money back an option or has the money all gone into the project and is no longer available for refund?

[RogueFactor]

I musta overlooked it but what date did PTP give to deliver bodies? All I could find was a reference to when they could even consider taking on the project. Just curious is all.

Hey RRFireblade...I mean Zaqwert6 . Good to see you around Jay, incognito nonetheless. LOL.

Yep, Tracy said theyd start the project back in November when the machines freed up. Re-read my posts...we are talking about delays. That was the original long-winded gripe that started this post. And this one has been going on since September of last year...what is that, 4 months? I dont have an issue with delays, they happen. Just the hypocrisy.


Here ya go...

9-21-07

Hi Everyone!! This is Tracy Hatcher. I wanted to set record straight.... But I can tell you that I would need at least 100 bodies sold. I would have to get a small deposit to show that yes you do want this and you are serious. Right now our machines are busy with other projects and will be tied up until the beginning of November.

9-21-07

So with that in mind it will take us a little more time, but I think that everyone will be pleased with the final results.

Tracy

9-24-07

...Yes, our machines are tied up until November, so we can't move faster. (Faster isn't always better anyway)

Tracy

3-07-08

Mudd - i havent heard anything from PTP for a bit, last i knew their contract got pushed on into feburary, so i think we are getting closer to our time

[BigEvil]

BTW---How long will the delay be on vbulletin?

I dont know... considering that all of the members that abandoned pbl and came over I should get off my butt and get on that. Then again I have other things to do than sit in front of a PC 24hrs a day. Admittedly my privative software cant handle it all too well, but then again what good is having awesome web software when there is no one visiting?

[punkncat]

I dont know... considering that all of the members that abandoned pbl and came over I should get off my butt and get on that. Then again I have other things to do than sit in front of a PC 24hrs a day. Admittedly my privative software cant handle it all too well, but then again what good is having awesome web software when there is no one visiting?

[RRfireblade]

Hey RRFireblade...I mean Zaqwert6 . Good to see you around Jay, incognito nonetheless. LOL.

That's my brother silly boy. He's here for the weekend as he often is.

[Smoothice]

I dont know... considering that all of the members that abandoned pbl and came over I should get off my butt and get on that. Then again I have other things to do than sit in front of a PC 24hrs a day. Admittedly my privative software cant handle it all too well, but then again what good is having awesome web software when there is no one visiting?

Yeah big-e - You need to get some really cool and hip video games on your site. I mean I haven't played Tetris in years. Rogue better watch out cause all the traffic those video games are going to produce might crash a server.

I would go back to pblegion just for those really cool games if it wasn't secretly owned/operated/and moderated by roguefactor. Oh wups, did I just let out the secret?

Hey RRFireblade...I mean Zaqwert6 . Good to see you around Jay, incognito nonetheless. LOL.

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. Should I address you as roguefactor or legionarre?

[RogueFactor]

I dont know... considering that all of the members that abandoned pbl and came over I should get off my butt and get on that. Then again I have other things to do than sit in front of a PC 24hrs a day. Admittedly my privative software cant handle it all too well, but then again what good is having awesome web software when there is no one visiting?

Thats the best you got? You really are slippin'

"Sorry boys"...