Autococker Curious (Caution: Long-winded OP)

[ghost flanker]

Woohoo! Just won the auction for that '99 Autococker.

[ScottyBeans]

Woohoo! Just won the auction for that '99 Autococker.

nice! enjoy, man. cockers are fun little guns

[Gadget]

I was in the same position last year - mag owner since '93 but had never owned or used a cocker. I started with a Resurrection - they are amazingly good for the money. Only things I didn't like were the absence of a back block for the proper sewing-machine effect and also I worried that the Ego-style finger detents would get bent out of shape as the bolt sits forward in storage (no idea if this is true or not!). After that I wanted something with a bit of history and ended up with an early right-feed Evolution, which I added a complete set of modern Belsales pneumatics to. Once you get the hang of how they work, cockers aren't really any more difficult to tech than a mag, just different.

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I mainly play magfed/limited loader games now (max 50 ball gravity hopper) and use both my mag and Evo, although I've found the mag to feed far more reliably when you're using a poor feed system, as the powerfeed maintains a longer ball stack and you can shake an open-bolt gun and have a ball drop into the breech, whereas when you shake a closed bolt gun it just drops a ball above the bolt, so your first shot tends to be a blank!

[ghost flanker]

Funny you should say that, Gadget - the lack of a back block or that sewing machine sound signature in the Ressurection were two of my biggest reasons for not choosing it, ultimately. Judging from video footage of Resurrections firing, they sure seem quiet - the impacts down range are louder than the shots, themselves! But the '99 has a little more character to it simply because it is louder and sloppier.

[ghost flanker]

the resurrection is great for a first time cocker buyer/shooter. simon really made the gun as easy to operate and shoot as possible, its an excellent bit of design.

if you know more about cockers, you can find something similar or better for less money, ...

I was under the preconception that the Resurrection already has the best of everything on it. Interesting. I may look into getting a more capable autococker later on down the line. Aside from ones with a double-finger hinge or E-trigger, what other cockers are better for less money? In what ways are they better?

[The Ritual]

Although the resurrection is an excellent out of the box mechanical half block aimed at the newer generation of players, I don't think it appeals as much to those who desire total customization or those who really enjoy tinkering with absolutely everything on their autocockers. Perhaps that is what cockerpunk meant.

One can buy a cheap, used body and used parts and still build a great shooting autococker.

I'm not suggesting that the resurrection cannot be customized, as Simon has released custom bodies, but the resurrection just doesn't have as many options at this point in time.

This is my 98 Belsales Evolution. It took me about 3 years to source all the parts I needed for this build.




and then there is fun with suction timing...

[cockerpunk]

I was under the preconception that the Resurrection already has the best of everything on it. Interesting. I may look into getting a more capable autococker later on down the line. Aside from ones with a double-finger hinge or E-trigger, what other cockers are better for less money? In what ways are they better?

building a cocker yourself, you can make a better gun for far less money.

but that requires knowing exactly what parts to buy at what price, and how to install and set up the gun properly etc etc.

used is almost always cheaper than new in paintball, and in cockers, its huge.

[Evil1]

Of course mags are better.

If you need a headache get a cocker.....

Having owned a cocker, they can be a huge headache. They shoot well when in tune, but idk how many of you on here are musicians or firearms enthusiasts. A cocker can be like an old finicky guitar. One day it will play like a beast and the other, it will chop or misfire like crazy and you can know everything about a cocker and still be absolutely befuddled on what's wrong with it. Certain hammers suck on them. Cocking rods bend. Bolts wear out quickly on them. A well tuned mag is like an ak-47. You can keep it in storage for close to 10 years and it will still fire. I personally have an xvalve that sat since 2006 and aired it up for the first time and it cycles. A mag is a very well engineered gun. Tom Kaye really is a genius.

[djinnform]

Of course mags are better.

If you need a headache get a cocker.....

Yeah, I thought having a pneumatic Karni would be cool. So I traded for one and fixed it up, but could never get it to really work correctly. The velocity was always fluctuating and the ball would roll out the barrel. But, I still loved Karni. So, after failed attempts messing with it more and more, I said screw it, and actually paid big bucks and bought a brand new, unused Karni on ebay, to see if they worked correctly, straight out of the box. Low and behold, the brand new Karni had all the same problems as my old used Karni, and then exploded and jammed. So now, they're wall hangers for the moment, until I feel like having some more headaches. I suck at autocockers!

[UncleStasiu]

Going through this right now, building one after owning two that worked great out of the box, without fiddling. Finally got it timed after a week of screwing around, now it won't fire over 150fps. Another week of messing with springs, yay!

That said, I'm insane. I put cocker frames on mags, polish sears, change trigger rod and on/off pin lengths, etc. All the things one should never ever do. Somehow, though, my mags work perfectly every time I pick them up. I credit TK for making a stupid-resistant product.

Here's hoping the cocker eventually "just works"...

[going_home]

Good luck with that.

You know what they say, "hope in one hand, spit in the other, and see which hand fills up first".

[Nobody]

Cockers have their limitations, where if you change a part or adjust it, it can throw the entire gun out. Everyone is different.

The biggest change would be the detent. The cocker has a true anti-double feed. Because of the closed bolt design, it will load a ball, then push it passed into the breech. You definitely need to watch bore sizes with your barrels. Years ago, Lapco made cocker to cocker barrel backs that were sized smaller to prevent this. Better barrels or more proliferation of smaller barrels makes this unneeded, but point your barrel down and you will loose a paintball.

[zondo]

Good luck with that.

You know what they say, "hope in one hand, spit in the other, and see which hand fills up first".

Where do you come up with these?

Oh, yeah... south Florida

[cockerpunk]

Having owned a cocker, they can be a huge headache. They shoot well when in tune, but idk how many of you on here are musicians or firearms enthusiasts. A cocker can be like an old finicky guitar. One day it will play like a beast and the other, it will chop or misfire like crazy and you can know everything about a cocker and still be absolutely befuddled on what's wrong with it. Certain hammers suck on them. Cocking rods bend. Bolts wear out quickly on them. A well tuned mag is like an ak-47. You can keep it in storage for close to 10 years and it will still fire. I personally have an xvalve that sat since 2006 and aired it up for the first time and it cycles. A mag is a very well engineered gun. Tom Kaye really is a genius.

mag owners get such a blind spot for this kind of stuff.

mags lost there bullet-proofness with the lvl 10 and the ULT. both need to be near constant adjusting to work optimally.

let us not forget that unfamiliarity is not unreliability.

[Dayspring]

mag owners get such a blind spot for this kind of stuff.

mags lost there bullet-proofness with the lvl 10 and the ULT. both need to be near constant adjusting to work optimally.

let us not forget that unfamiliarity is not unreliability.

I respectfully disagree. 10 years with the same ULT and Level 10 setup - used the gun about a month ago, JUST started leaking. Otherwise, problem free.