Offical LVL10, Reports from the Field Thread

[AcemanPB]

update

Minimag with classic valve amd 20oz anti-siphon tank


took me 20 minutes + about 20 more at the field tryin to get it chornoed


first it was 1.5 carrier with longest spring, and it shot fine but when i got to the field i saw it was shooting at 320fps and if i turned it down anymore the marker would not fire, so i switched to the shortest spring and my gun chronoed right in at 280 and stayed there the whole day!


i didn't notice any change in efficency but it sure doesn't give you any warning when your about to run out of air


no chops or breaks and this was when i was TRYING to make it chop, i shot about 2000 rounds of proball + some field paint



the only problem i encountered was my bolt stuck foward once, but i just put some oil throught it and it worked fine the rest of the day


level 10 is awsome it gives my gun no kick and no chops this think is truly amazing (i love my mag)

[brian terry]

guys and girls i put my level 10 kit in the 18 of june at agd.so far iv shot over 25 boxes of paint in it from kickn to diablo.iv had no choping.iv put my gun on auto and still no chop .dont you just love it. im shooting a sfl with ace and level 10 kit and a 68/45 crossfire tank.

[Manuel_FZR]

-How long it took you to get it installed and what your configuration was to get it working properly

15 minutes to install. took 30 minutes to break in the o-ring

1.5 carrier
2 shims
middle spring


- The type of gun you're using it on

Minimag pf


-Efficiency

Same as before.


- Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used- Any problems you encountered

No problems. Longest spring is a little bit to near the 300fps .


- Other general comments

[magmonkey]

2 kits
one in a micromag
one in a clasic
-How long it took you to get it installed and what your configuration was to get it working properly
clasic 15 mins #2 carrier 0 shims mid spring (could not get the gun to fire with the long spring?)
micro 15 mins #2 carrier 2 shims mid spring

-The type of gun you're using it on
clasic with retro valve emag body and benchy 2x frame 68 3k flatline set to 850 psi
micro with retro and benchy 2x frame preset48 3k

-Efficiency
slightly decresed not sure on #s yet


-Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used
rp advantage,pmi,diablo blaze,and white box generic paint
4000 rds no chops no breaks!!!

-Any problems you encountered
bolts needed to be sanded to fit bodys but other than that
no problems unless having people crowd you and ask alot of questions is a problem


-Other general comments
I think the lvl ten kits will give the mag back some of the respect it seems to have lost in the paintball community.... this thing kicks butt

[Dayspring]

-How long it took you to get it installed and what your configuration was to get it working properly
About 1 1/2 hours between two days.

-The type of gun you're using it on
RT Pro #00462*** #1 carrier, 2 shims, long spring
*** Have since changed to the one that looks like the main spring. ***

-Efficiency
Unknown at this time. Was low on air to begin with.
***Shot about 600 or so rounds through before I was low enough that shooting was no longer an effective deterrent to coming closer to the flag station. 68ci 3000 psi. Shot around 255fps.***

-Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used
Playing this week
***2000 rounds 32 Degrees Competition Paint (green shell, pink fill) and about 95+ degrees. Nasty humidity. No chops. No breaks. Even under "trigger fanning" conditions.***

-Any problems you encountered
Just took a little while to find the right carrier. After reading the Extended instructions as well as some of the other posts, I was able to get it working.
***Started venting out the back w/ the spring (had the coil cut off) so I switched to the one that looks like the main spring. Works great. ***

-Other general comments
SWEET! I did the "tape on paintball" and it worked flawlessly. I couldn't get the dollar bill one to work though. Bent the bill.
***Went to Skrimish USA. Gun tech was impressed (had to fix an o-ring in the tank) and showed everybody else. (did the finger trick- first time so I was somewhat apprehensive. but I figure- if it doesn't kill the ball, it won't kill my finger.)***

[spacemanspiff]

Took me about a half hour or so to up in my LVL10. Started late one night and had to finish in the morning cause I was tired. I'm using 3 shims and the 1.5 carrier.

Type of gun- SFL e-mag

Efficiency-Seems like alittle less then before

Breaks/chops- one down the barrel last weekend with kickin paint. 0 chops shoting diablo blaze at a tourney today.

Problems- None till today I started to get a small leak but would go away and come back. Probably started leaking cause I was showing it off so much. I'm going to oil it tonight and maybe try a smaller carrier if it leaks next time I play.

General Comments- Awsome upgrade I haven't been carrying my squeege at all for the last 2 weekends. Peoples reactions at the tourney today were funny. I heard 2-3 people say they wanted an e-mag or upgrade there old mags. They couldn't believe that the lvl10 works in all mags and is under $100. I even showed one ref what happens when I turn of my revy he was like dude you'll chop. Now his reaction was the best of the day Tom you did an awsome job once again and I'll be sure to spread the word everytime I go out and play.

[LittMag]

-How long it took you to get it installed and what your configuration was to get it working properly

Installed ona previous day (about an hour, probably more tinkering time needed now though)
1.5 carrier 3 shims
brass spring

-The type of gun you're using it on

Classic Mag w/ std feed
CO2

-Efficiency

No idea

-Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used

Many breaks no chops
couple month old marbs.

-Any problems you encountered

I had serious issues, I think my spring was too long.
Basically the gun would fire, then stop firing. Sometimes when it didn't fire, it would make the ball pinching sound then reset, sometimes the bolt would just not fire at all.
At the crono I was very inconsistent (but probably because of the cool temps and CO2) However when it warmed up during the day, I would crono around 310-320, turn it down, crono at 285 (the field limit). During one game, the gun would just not fire. Again I think the spring is too long. Would that be the case?

-Other general comments

When the gun was shooting I LOVED it, I love the lvl 10 sound the gun makes =P I shortstroked for some of the AOers there and the gun simply fed a few balls down the tube causing me to double fire.

[jewie27]

-How long it took you to get it installed and what your configuration was to get it working properly

It took about 30 minutes.

-The type of gun you're using it on

Minimag w/ReTro Valve and Intelliframe

-Efficiency
Have not shot paint with it yet.

-Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used

Have not shot paint with it yet.



-Any problems you encountered

None



-Other general comments

I used the carrier with one groove. (There are 2, and one of those worked for me.) I began with the 2 groove carrier but it leaked, so I went down one size. I also used 2 shims.

[ammosponge]

lvl 10 report

ok, after burning thru a complete 68/45 trying to get the thing tuned, i hauled it down to my local proshop and sponsor, to make sure i could get it tuned and happy in one shot.
time to install: about 1 hour with trying different carriers and all.

carrier used: 1.5 with 1 shim.

breaks: 0 ... shooting 500 rounds of really crappy pmi premium that had been riding around in my trunk, podded, in 90+ degree weather, since the last tourney.
breaks with proshops chrono paint( ancient brittle 1 drop 6-12 month old marbs.) 0. in 1000 rounds. folks we have a winner.

only issue is getting enough velocity. with the middle spring it's 280-310+ and with the stock spring it's 210-250

and with the long spring, it will not fire. so we'll see what happens there.
when i finally got it tuned and showed the shop owner and manager and the bench tech what lvl 10 could do, their eyes got really big and their mouthes dropped open.
"that is a HUGE advantage" was the resounding response as was "there are gonna be a LOT more people shooting mags" they were stunned.
and wildly impressed.
way to go AGD!

[nuclear zombie]

- It took me about 30 mins to install , after fine tuning adjusting and trying different setups it took about 1 hour total.

-I am using it on a Micro-mag RT vert feed

- using RPS marbilizer , and PMI Advantage out of 600 paintballs 0 chops.

-carrier used 1.0 w/ 2 shims

-Had no problems with velocity , effiency is same as before .

- I have had no problems with the bolt at all , I shot 500 yesterday , normally i chop at least 4 - 5 , now I chop/bust none . Very pleased with product , now when I outrun my 12 Revy i don't have to squeegee. It is a very good product I would recommend it to anybody with a mag.

[tat2dhillbilly]

lvl 10 on an rt

Installed the lvl 10 on my Rt and used the quick start and was up and running in about 15 minutes. I used the number 2 carrier and the middle spring.
On the field i had a few problems with the middle spring, It would sometimes not want to fire so I switched to the stock bolt spring and didn't have any more problems with sticking all day. I didn't have a chop all day using older Nelson Anarchy (pretty brittle). I did have a few barrell breaks (due to double feed I think). The stock spring does hit the ball a little harder but not enough to chop.

I think everyone was suitably impressed by the RT's performance. I really had a great time getting on the trigger and not chopping paint.

[rudy]

I played 2 days at the monster game so I figure I would give some more input. I shot about 500 slam balls, 1000 hellfire, and 200, el tigre. about 1700 shots. I used a total of 14500 psi worth of punches on my fill card for the 2 days. Which is more then usuall I wa unable to split a card this year.

I had 0 chops and only 1 break It was eltigre and it was torn by the edge or the freak insert when it was shot. My batteries died in my revolution about with about an hour left on the last day.

I started with the medium spring and I had problems then gun would shoot fine then just start plopping balls out 10 feet infront of the barrel and some wouldnt make it out of the breach. I thought it was batteries in my hyperframe after 2 battery switches I finally decided it had to be the main spring not the battery. But manny times low batteries cause a similar effect for me.

Overall the event was excelent. I was shootin at 270 to 275 fps with occasional spikes to 279. With the lower kick of the superbolt 2 and the brittle hellfire paint and the electronic trigger. I was able to put my balls on target and get them to break at huge ranges It was easier to keep the gun stable and line up my shots. This was my first time where I never went against a single person or group where at long ranges I felt my aim was as good or better then the other player. I dont really Like long balling but at this type of game when there might be a hundred or more guys at a front you dont always have a good fron bunker you can get into that offers cover from angles. So I picked up a ton of easy kills from people who were wide open but thought at a safe ranges.

[felony]

need some help here..

hey guys.

i need some help!

got he Level 10 a few weeks ago.

finally got to the park

results:

SETUP:
easy to put it all together if you think about it and just dont rush into things.
took my 15 minutes to put in. but quite a bit longer to get it working and still have some problems.

GUN:
minimag, intelliframe, flatline 3k

EFFICIENCY:
have not really noticed any though i havent taken notes on it.

SHOTS TAKEN / BREAKS:
before i had it chroned, i was shooting about 3 year old pmi paintballs from when i started. no breaks. shot about 1000 standard pmi from the field no breaks, but read on.

PROBLEMS OCCURRED:
maybe i am a bad installer, but please read on :]

~~Ok, am on the smallest carrier due to leaks down the barrel.
~~two shims
~~the wierd main spring (shaved)
~~input pressure of about 800psi
i left the park after shooting ALOT to try and get my gun working in the 270fps range. in the end i had the above setup with a very consistent FPS in the 270s range.
I was happy and decided to take a few more shots as fast as i could, no breaks and left the park as it was getting dark.

I got home and gassed up to play with the bolt :] . The trigger was pressurized but the gun would not fire. this requires a increase in velocity for the gun to funtion. an increase in velocity puts me over 280 fps. would a increase in input pressure help my problem?

when i first started to chrono, my pressure was low, a bit more then 700. i had the shaved spring in and when i eventually got the marker to fire (after turning up the velocity) it was shooting way hot, 320s. so i increased to pressure to 800 and am here now. at the park i worked with the other springs as well. the one just longer then the stock lvl 7 spring worked fine to my knoweledge, but i wanted to get the standard shaved one to work.


before i had any problems with just the trigger being pressurized and the marker not firing, i would somtimes experience a short stroke that would fart a ball out at a real slow speed, maybe 20 fps? and because i was firing as fast as i could another ball would come up right behind it and shatter it. this resembles a nasty chop but cleary nothing happened in my barrel or near my bolt. my balls collided in mid air.

any help would be great.

i may start all over next time i got to the park and try again :[
(get my gun working right again and then upping the velocity by two turns)

dan

[Evil Bob]

Update.....

Changed out the middle spring for the stock spring on both the RT's I'm working on to get them to chrono a bit lower 225-250 for indoor play. Discovered a nice side effect, both RT's now go full reactive with little effort.

Ref: "Turn off full auto, you're scaring the newbies."
Me: "Sure thing."

I hold the marker up to my face and say...

"Full auto disable"

...and act like I'm listening for a response from the marker. Shake the RT twice for good measure.

"Full auto mode disable!"

...still listening intently. Shake it again even harder.

"Damn, it's not working! Here, you try."

...handing it to the ref, he looks at it for a sec and laughs.

Ref: "Reactive trigger?" Me: "Yep, a direct result of the level 10 mod I just put in, it goes reactive without much effort."

Ref turns and fires a few rounds at the wall, after a few tries he gets it to shoot reactive. Ref hands the RT back...

"Real nice, I didn't believe the level 10 hype, but seeing scream through paint like that on full reactive was unbelievible, I gotta get that upgrade for sure."

-Evil Bob

[Brian68mag]

Level 10 came yesterday (monday) 23rd

-How long it took you to get it installed and what your configuration was to get it working properly:
No air yet but i had it installed in 5 minutes, really simple. Number 2 carrier, 2shims, medium spring. The 2 carrier has a a little resistance to the bolt sliding, not much but i may have to switch to the number 2 1/2 carrier because it doesnt grip the bolt as much.
(edit) worked perfectly, gassed up, cranked the velocity adjuster up till it fired, chrono'd 280.

-The type of gun you're using it on
Vert feed emag 1728

-Efficiency

Dont know, will edit after i get air(edit, about the same, maybe a tad lower)

-Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used
Will edit(edit, System x aftermath field paint, 2500 shot 0 chops 0 breaks)

-Any problems you encountered
None so far(edit NONE WHAT SO EVER)

-Other general comments
Very simple install with the regular instructions, should be a big hit, love the bolt too. Kit comes with alot of extra carriers so it will work with every gun
(edit) showed it to many people at splatmasters in colorado springs, noone was to into it because it was (still a mag) i was a little upset about how blind people were to it.
I love it, my friends love it. I did demonstrations of it and i put a ball in the chopping position and fired 140 times to i finally gave up because it wouldnt chop. I played a game of hyperball with a non electro hopper and fired wicked fast to show how i couldnt break if i tried.
Guy with a timmy came up to me and said, my gun can do that, ok lets go then, we puts it upside down, ball in breach, trigger goes, BAM paint EVERYWHERE, in the gun, up the tube, down the barrel, seeping out the eye covers, funny stuff, low pressure my ***.

Way to go Tom