Offical LVL10, Reports from the Field Thread

[Krazy Ivan]

An update on my mag. I played through the first half of D-Day with it. at least 2000 rounds and not even a barrel break. Everyone I showed was wowed too

One problem though, I couldn't get it to shoot above 260fps. I'm running 900 psi into the valve....any suggestions?

[Kevmaster]

heres the Kevmaster's data

Gun: PTP Micro Emag 2000

Setup: Eagle Air 68/3000 adjustable tank with Lapco Autospirit and HALO

The Old: I would chop all the time with my Mag. no idea why but i couldnt stop chopping paint

The New: Level ten's installation was a breeze. took me about 30 mins to get everything in and the velo set to around 275. i used two shims, hte longest main spring and the two ring spacer, and right off the bat, everything worked great

Testing: i put some electric tape on a paintball, put it 1/2 way in the breach and opened fire on it. i pulled the trigger 75 times, pulled the paint out(month old Anarchy--easy to break) and not a MARK!!

i was the most amazed person around. ive never seen anything like it. i am so happy and will be gloating about level ten all day sunday at my tourny



thanks AGD!!

[AcemanPB]

i'm using the 1.5, 2 shims, and the longest spring works good so far

*an update will follow saturday after i play at my field

[ELLAS]

GUN: 68 PF mag with retro valve, AGD inteliframe, PMI 88/3000 tank, and freak system with .689 sleeve.

Time To Install: It took about ten minutes to put it all in and get it to work. I took antoher 10 minutes fine tuning it.
Final setup was: long spring, 1.0 carrier and 2 shims.

I tested Diablo blaze, RP premium, and marbs through the gun. I shot about 2500 balls and had not breaks at all. The paint was about 3-4 months old.

I tried like shooting sideways and the ole tape on the paintball test. NO CHOPS!!

Air efficiency was a little less, but not a big difference.

All in all this is a great product.

[hitech]

-How long it took you to get it installed and what your configuration was to get it working properly

30 minutes to install. I spent another 60 minutes tinkering.

1.5 carrier (the 2 leaked)
1 shim (2 leaked)
Middle spring (longest appeared to "hot")

-The type of gun you're using it on

Automag Classic PF

-Efficiency

Don't know. It doesn't appear any different, but I have only shot 200 rounds or so and don't have a chrono.

-Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used

Diablo blaze and PMI Premimum that are at least three months old. No breaks or chops. I did the hold a ball part way in with tape and shot it 20 times or so. I could not get a break no matter how bad I short stroked it.

-Any problems you encountered

I think that I might like the bolt to vent earlier but adding a shim causes it to leak. I would like thinner shims.

-Other general comments

This is amazing! I called a buddy of mine up to show it off. I have told him all about it before and he has seen the videos. His jaw still dropped when I did the taped ball "trick". He turned away when I put my finger in the breach and pulled the trigger! I did get him to do it after I did. I need to get to the field so I can chrono it, but I believe it is firing at least 270. I can't wait to show this thing off!

[METHOD36]

Can someone who works in the upper levels of AGD, like TOm Kaye or someone, PM me please..I have a question for yall.......

[Panzerr]

Update

I found that after putting two cases of paint through my new Level 10 kit that i developed a very slight leak in the power tube from time to time. I removed the o-ring carrier and installed the next smallest size and the leak stopped. Apparently the o-ring "broke in" and was a tiny bit too loose.

[j.t.]

WOW!!!

This kit truely is all its turned out to be! I got mine in today and installed it using the quick-install instructions in under 5 MINUTES!!!

Now at this point since it went in perfectly, did not leak, and I did not even have to turn the velocity up, I thought the bolt would still have a significant amount of force.

I was wrong. It was feather light, and I was even chrono'd at 435!!!

I got the velocity all the way down to 240 without even having to change the setup.

Another big surprise to me was that after about putting 300 shots through it the foamy was still secure on the bolt!

I was using the exact setup in the quick-start instructoins.

I am simply amazed at this wonderfull product which has completly changed my entire automag. It no longer chops, it is quieter, it has less recoil, and I LOVE the new and improved feel of the trigger!

THANKS AGD!!!

[RT-Rockin]

Success!

Things we'll be looking for:

-How long it took you to get it installed and what your configuration was to get it working properly

Approximately 10 mins using Tom's fast setup. Fired a hundred shots or so to break in the o-ring then experienced a little leakage. I'm running low on air so I stopped and changed to the next smaller carrier and no more leaking. Fired some more shots and all appears to be functioning properly.

Final config is 1.5 carrier, 2 shims, and the longest spring from the kit. Not chrono'd yet but it appears to be about normal (280 +/-). I'll update this as well after I play.

I haven't got the guts to try my finger yet but it stops on a pen cap and is gentle. I need some more air before I can do much more. Sorry.

Total time start to finish 20 mins with fine tuning and breakdown of the marker.

-The type of gun you're using it on

E-MAG

-Efficiency

Can't judge at this time. I'll update my post after actually playing a few games with it.

-Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used

No breaks. Using Marbs in the yard.

-Any problems you encountered

None

-Other general comments

TOM/AGD! YOU RULE!!!



Rockin


EDIT: I finally chrono'd and I'm getting weird consistancy. Using the RT chrono procedure, I'm getting a hot first shot (around 300-309) and then subsequent shots are in the 260-280 range. I'm not really concerned about the 260-280 range (I was using potentially bad paint) as much as the first shot being over 300. Any ideas? I've checked and searched the forums and all I really see is talk about the reg seat. I just bought this gun used and I went through the valve and replaced all the o-rings. The only one I didn't replace was the quad o-ring as I had an RT parts kit for an EMAG.

[Schnitzel]

number one carrier, 0 shims.

i used a variety of mixed paint, with excellent results. 0 chops! I also did a test where i twisted the barrel to pinch a ball in place of the bolt. no malfunctions.

if there's one thing i can say, its here.

BTW: this was all done on a HPA minimag.

[Mild 7]

-How long it took you to get it installed and what your configuration was to get it working properly:

1. Middle spring.
2. 1.5 Carrier
3. No shims.
4. Oil everything.
5. Turn up velocity by two revolutions.
6. Blank fired 3000 psi worth of air out of 4500 tank.

Thanks for Musikman for his patience and input in regards to my level 10 installation and Army's motivation in convincing me of putting my finger into the breech. My actual installation time was 15 minutes. Getting familiar with the instructions and my ways around took about a good hour.

-The type of gun you're using it on is my '98 RT.

-Efficiency

Although I haven't put any paint through it, I'm assuming there is a decrease in efficiency due to a lots of hisses while firing.

-Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used:

Like I said, I haven't put any paint thru it. But since my finger wasn't chopped off,no holes in the dollar bill test, and the taped up paintball test, I'm assuming I should be ok.

-Any problems you encountered:

Problems encountered excluding what was covered on the installation sheet was:

1. Slight leak from the back of the RT. This was fixed by turning down my velocity by a couple of notches.

2. I can hear an occasional leak after blank firing a few times. But the leak tends to stop somewhere along the line.
On two occasions, the gun will not fire at all but there is pressure on the trigger.

-Other general comments: Let's hope this works.

I will continue to experiment with different carriers and adding shims to it once I'm on the field and have a chrono available for me to have a more precise feedback. So far, I haven't encounter any major problems and it is looking good.

[codeJockey]

-The type of gun you're using it on
Mag 1: Retro valve, Warp body, Benchmark body rail, Intelliframe, SmartParts 12" SS barrel, 88 ci Armageddon tank @ 1000 psi output

Mag 2: Classic valve, Minimag body, standard body rail, Intelliframe, Dye 12" Aluminum barrel, 48 ci constant output Crossfire tank

-How long it took you to get it installed
Mag 1: 1 hour (used the long instructions & did a lot of tweaking)

Mag 2: 20 minutes

...and what your configuration was to get it working properly

Mag 1: 0.5 Carrier, 4 shims, longest spring

Mag 2: 1.5 Carrier, 3 shims, shortest spring

-Efficiency

Marginally less efficient on both Mags.

-Number of breaks/chops and type of paint used

JT Maxim. Over 2000 rounds per mag, not a single break in either.

-Any problems you encountered

Difficult to remove carriers & shims from powertube (but not that big a deal).

-Other general comments

The Lvl 10 is simply a thing of beauty...

[j.t.]

***UPDATE***

I just got back from my first day of play/tourney with level 10 installed in my mag. I encountered a slight leak so I moved down to the 1.5 carrier.

After that my mag worked FLAWLESSLY ALL DAY. 0 chops, 0 breaks, and I encountered alot of pinches.

Needless to say my team The Pink Fluffy Bunnies who had been together for one day before the tourney placed 3rd!

**Edit**

Just recently while i was reffing i decided my mag wasnt being put to good use sitting in my gear bag so i thought "why not try the *newbie torture test*..."

I let multiple newbies try my mag during the day. They were all very impressed and needless to say i got a lot of GREAT comments from them about it. And the best part was i didnt have to clean it after! God only know what kind of paint they were using in it.

The greatest part was this: Two other refs at my field decided to do the same as me. One has a tricked impulse vision and the other a significantly upgraded autococker.

The impulse vision chopped the first ball and failed to work after that due to paint blocking the eye.

The autococker was having timing problems throughout the entire day.

Lets just say my mag was the newbie marker of choice by the end of the day, and i think some of the newbs already know what their next marker will be.

[joeyjoe367]

*Update!*

I played today (7-20) and I can definatly say that I've never been more happy with my mag than ever before.

I shot 1200 rnds of Great American Paintballs, which were approx 3-5 bounce paint, without a single barrel break, chop, or breach break.

I was having some issues with my warp-feed, and While i was taking out the battery, i ripped up the clippy thingie, so i had to play the last round with a "normal" setup :P Going to have to get a soldering iron out

One thing that I was having problems with was my velocity changing throughout the day, and having my marker not fire. I have the middle spring now, and 1 shim. I also JUST replaced the reg-seat, so I was wondering what was going on. I guess I'll have to look into it. Perhaps I need a tourney lock or something :P

[Thrilliam]

I have to tell my story... I sold all my other guns to go back to a mag after reading about the level 10...
It took me now 3 days and counting to get the bugs out of my level 10. It took me 5 min to get it together but still having bolt stick problems.
3 shims... 4 and it leaks
bounce back and forth between longest spring and medium.

one break which was during the tape trick to show it off but I think it was because I was using the smallest spring.
since then I have not broken any paint but I have bolt stick problems that have to be ironed out.
Running a 45/45 and have not been able to see how efficent the gun is running...
My outlook is grand and looking forward to shooting a mag again after 7 years...