Autocockers or Automags

[SqueegeeKid]

I'd take a Talon over both of em.

[MagDog68]

Originally posted by SqueegeeKid
I'd take a Talon over both of em.

OK Squeegee - I want my ReTro Valve back then!

BTW - Didn't anyone notice the word "stock?" All I hear from the Cocker camp is what you can add to it. I want something that works out of the box!

~Fred

[SqueegeeKid]

That was blatent sarcasm, but im sure everyone but the slowest AOer got that.

Actually my friend has a bone-stock cocker, cept the barrel and i like the way it feels. I've always liked the slide trigger for some reason. It is a nice gun, but if i were to buy a Cocker, i'd pick up something a little more special

[emericken]

funny thread

I've been disputing if i want to buy a mag er cocker too, basically i think like this, ya i could get a cocker and sure they are tempermental but if i buy from a local dealer with free labor they can clean and time it, but if it breaks on the field im up poops creek, so if i bought a mag itd be simple and reliable but not as easy to customize and make high performance, but my real problem is would i be able to start entry level tournies and then after i get good there move up even more?

[than205]

People keep forgetting that bone stock the mag "can" shoot faster than most highly modified cockers. What I mean the AIR valve will easily exceed the seeming limit of 11(?) bps that most if not all cockers are mechanically limited to.
What I will conceed is maybe it is easier for the untrained to shoot faster on a cocker.
Also, if it's your bag. It's easier and more likely to have a personally customized look with a cocker. (that will change... C&C)
And finally, the backblock on a cocker causes a trance like state. Which, we all know makes us want to buy one.

I would suggest the Palmer Blazer. It goes faster than most if not all cockers and has backblock to trance the competition. The only downside may be that you will not be able to make really pretty. That is if you dont choose a mag.

[snwbrdr913]

Actually the stock 'mag reg/valve thingy can only has a fill rate of 9 b.p.s.....

[mykroft]

The stoc mag valve's max ROF without shootdown is 16bps, not 9. 9 is as fast as most people can shoot on it.

Note that 11bps mas a mechanical limit for stock cockers back in the days of the 98 cocker, the 2001/2002 cockers are mechanically much more advanced, with non-slotted trigger plates, lighter backblocks, larger air chambers, smoother rams and shorter throw 4-ways, all of which contribute to a higher mechanical limit to the speed. you are looking at 13+bps limit on a 2002 cocker. Since you aren't going to outshoot either of these limits on a mechanical, non-reactive trigger, it doesn't matter.

Out of the box, I vote cocker, all you need to do is add a bottomline, and it's more tolerant of CO2, if you want to spend a little more, like $100-300, your best bet is an upgraded Automag or stock RT Pro, if you want to spend lot's o'cash on a mechanical marker, an Evo, DYE or Eclipse cocker is IMHO the best mechanical marker on the market (Eclipse & DYE hinges are even better than Intelliframe/RT combo in my opinion).

Blazer is overpriced, and while it may be faster than a 98 cocker, it certainly isn't any faster than a 2002, especially with it's horrible stock trigger (Stiffer pull than a spyder)

[luke]

so if i bought a mag itd be simple and reliable but not as easy to customize and make high performance

Get real! The RT valve is the fastest valve on the planet, and it can be proven. That's not high peformance?


You can't customize a Mag? You obviously don't get out much..........

i buy from a local dealer with free labor they can clean and time it,

This I don't get. Why would you want to rely on someone else to work on your equipment.

[Chigga Meat]

removed offensive post and banned him - only because he is new not forever - cphilip

[cphilip]

Ok newbie your not even going to get a warning.

Five days ban for you.

[Koosh]

I know it isnt a Stock cocker... but there are videos of suped up Merlin Race cockers doing 15+ BPS with and the halo b.

I have owned both many paintball guns throught my life... from a model 98, piranha, minimag, race cocker, impulse, and now my emag...

My cocker was the thing of legend... I was a cocker newbie when I got it, so it was broke down alot for the first month or two... after that, when I started upgrading it, and I actually knew what I was doing, the thing RIPPED!

My minimag was the perfect gun... small, tight, quiet, fast, and accurate. In fact, that is the reason I shelled out even more money for the emag, becuase of the feeling my mag gave me when I was firing it... I had my mag for 4 months before outside debts forced me to sell it (damn car insurance) that was one of the saddest days in my life ... Oh well...

Anyhoo... a stock mag vs. a stock cocker... well, the only advice I can give you is to try them both out... they both work good enough on CO2, but you should switch to nitro no matter what... I think you should just buy a model 98, and get a nitro tank, then save up for the mag or cocker again. Just go to your local feild, and try them out... mags are for some people, cockers are for others... the debate will never die.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by TheFlamingKoosh
I know it isnt a Stock cocker... but there are videos of suped up Merlin Race cockers doing 15+ BPS with and the halo b.

Well, I know the emagnum isn't a stock emag but there are videos of it doing 22+BPS and doing 30CPS. I mean, the 30CPS emagnum outshoots every nitro tank except for one...(I forgot which tank don/butters used)

[Koosh]

True, the suped up emag will out fire the suped up cocker... but hey, differnt strokes for different folks...

[snwbrdr913]

actually E-mags that are sold to the public have a limit of 13 b.p.s on them for full auto and I can shoot faster doing semi on an STO than on a emag

[blackmag3]

am i missing something cause i would bet money that emags dont have full auto. and i'd so love to see you try to outshoot an emag with an sto. just my opinion and why would the emag be only able to do 13 bps when an rt can do almost twice that?