Autocockers or Automags

[Conqueror]

Originally posted by Dayspring
I would love to see this 1mm trigger pull. Do you actually know what 1mm is? Measurement wise? I HIGHLY doubt you have it tricked that far. In any case- I would love to take you out to our field- RT versus your cocker. I'd place my fastest shooting person against you and we'll see how you do.

OK, how is that fair? You get to select the person with the fastest mag finger you know of, and he doesn't get to select a cocker speed demon? And you propose that this will be a good test of comparative speed? If so, you're clearly mistaken. Also, I've gotten a cocker trigger to under 2mm. He's probably exagerating, but cocker triggers can be quite short, and certainly shorter than some mags I've shot.

See. IMO. That's your opinion. And you're entitled to it. HOWEVER, fact is fact. And in this case, you're WAY wrong.

Seeing as you didn't provide a single fact in your post, I'd advise you to cease mocking his opinion. You provided no less than three of them, without a single fact to back anything up. Of course, that's assuming you had made a point to back up, which you didn't.

Yeah, but by the time your gun has cycled to shoot again or it busts a hose, you've got a rain of paint coming towards your sorry hide. (And I emphasize SORRY)

Very helpful, and knowledgeable! I can't tell if this is a useless flame or a bizarrely stated opinion, but either way, it's not one of those "facts" you so highly touted.

Oh, and for the last time- DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

Practice what you preach, smart guy.

Now then, to my own assorted facts and opinions...

1) When comparing BONE-STOCK, LOWEST-FORM (the cheapest factory-produced variety, which in this case is the stock cocker vs. the Level 7) the stock cocker is the clear winner. WGP upgrades the stocker each year, whilst AGD hasn't even seen fit to throw a cheap 45 frame on the stock mag. Even if you put LX on that lev7 mag, the stock cocker is still miles ahead. It has a much better trigger (longer by a little, but MUCH easier to pull), can pinch balls in stock form just like LX, can shoot as fast if not faster when used by an experienced cocker shooter, and gets better efficiency. Yes, most of these are opinions. The difference is I don't pretend they are facts, as many have done before ^^^^^.

2) Yes, the RT valve is still the fastest on the planet at 30 bps tested. However, there are many e-cockers out there that can hit 20 bps with no problems, and could go even faster if you are willing to crank up the cocking pressure. While the RT still has it beat, they're both so fast that it's moot. It's like comparing a Ferrari and a Lamborghini - they can both go faster than 99.99995% of the population can or will ever drive them.

3) Although I realize the irony of myself responding to this thread, there's really no point to trying to answer this question. People have been asking the this exact same thing since 1990, and we still have no answer because it's all PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

SHOOT WHAT YOU LIKE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE OTHER GUY SAYS OR THINKS. THAT'S WHY YOU BOUGHT THE GUN, NOT HIM.

CQ

[Dayspring]

The reason I'm not pulling my bag of facts out is because I've already wasted them on this argument with him before. I've shut down his argument several times before. His criteria for comparison were subjective and therefore not reliable. He couldn't back up his arguments past that.

So, "smart guy" what say we chill out and back off.

Originally posted by Conqueror


Now then, to my own assorted facts and opinions...

1) When comparing BONE-STOCK, LOWEST-FORM (the cheapest factory-produced variety, which in this case is the stock cocker vs. the Level 7) the stock cocker is the clear winner. WGP upgrades the stocker each year, whilst AGD hasn't even seen fit to throw a cheap 45 frame on the stock mag. Even if you put LX on that lev7 mag, the stock cocker is still miles ahead. It has a much better trigger (longer by a little, but MUCH easier to pull), can pinch balls in stock form just like LX, can shoot as fast if not faster when used by an experienced cocker shooter, and gets better efficiency. Yes, most of these are opinions. The difference is I don't pretend they are facts, as many have done before ^^^^^.

2) Yes, the RT valve is still the fastest on the planet at 30 bps tested. However, there are many e-cockers out there that can hit 20 bps with no problems, and could go even faster if you are willing to crank up the cocking pressure. While the RT still has it beat, they're both so fast that it's moot. It's like comparing a Ferrari and a Lamborghini - they can both go faster than 99.99995% of the population can or will ever drive them.

3) Although I realize the irony of myself responding to this thread, there's really no point to trying to answer this question. People have been asking the this exact same thing since 1990, and we still have no answer because it's all PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

SHOOT WHAT YOU LIKE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE OTHER GUY SAYS OR THINKS. THAT'S WHY YOU BOUGHT THE GUN, NOT HIM.

CQ

[strongboy2005]

Originally posted by TRIAD


Right on.

Faster, no. EMag with Emagnum cycled at 30 bps. www.butters.org

Fastest I've seen a 'cocker is under 20.

Smoother? Whatever that means.

Accuracy and range is a dead, beaten, reincarnated, beaten again, dead again, reincarnated, dead, beaten, dead, geez, you should know that by now.

I think the upper-end 'cockers are pretty nice. I will stick with my 'mag though.

Dude, you just kind of ended this argument with that absolutely idiotic post.

Who gives a crap about the eMag! The damned things weigh freakin 30 lbs! I swear it was heavier than my old tippmann. I don't care how much you can put into an eMag (which is an electric marker) to get 30 BPS. Most tourneys are capped at 13. So where does that play in? NOWHERE. Accuracy? Mags lose. Again, where are all the automags at the tourneys? I mean the best gun AGD has ever come out with is the X mag and that's because they finally got the idea that people don't want a big heavy hunk . As for an idiot, well you're the idiot dayspring. An idiot if you think in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER that a classic mag could beat a stock autococker. There is just no comparison. I give the classic mag 5 years tops before it is lowered down to a nOOb gun, costing a mere $130 new and designed for the brand new player to play with to see if they'd like to get into the sport, and if they don't like it, NO BIG LOSS.

DON'T FEED THE AUTOMAG TROLLS

[Dayspring]

Originally posted by strongboy2005

Who gives a crap about the eMag! The damned things weigh freakin 30 lbs!

5 pounds. With tank & barrel. Get the ULE rail. Cut down on weight. Aluminum X-valve. Cut down on weight. If you can't handle 5 pounds, I think a trip to the gym is in order.

Accuracy? Mags lose.

You never learn...

DON'T FEED THE AUTOMAG TROLLS

How are we trolls? It's our board.

[cphilip]

Strongboy your about to get banned. Your cursing is getting out of control and its fairly obvious you came here to only to start some trouble. Think what you want its fine. But everyones got a right to their own opinion. I will be fair and give you this one and only warning. ONLY ONE.