Autocockers or Automags

[strongboy2005]

What is wrong with all of you guys? THERE IS NO ARGUMENT HERE. There is no way EVER that anyone could say that a classic mag could beat the autocockers of today.

[Timmee]

Hmm, this indifference is bothering me. Mechanical marker to mechanical marker, AGD has WGP beat. Compare this year's top of the line AGD and WGP markers, and you'll see why everyone's upset. For AGD, it's the RTPro, which has the fastest recharging valve in the industry. For WGP, it's the Orracle, which is a dressed up, but otherwise similar marker to WGP's "mid level" marker.

Now, many of your arguments are focused on the classic valve (a valve that's been out since '92, IIRC), as well as the 'Mag in general. Many of your arguments (here and on other threads) are based on personal preference or perception, like comfort, style, and accuracy. Also, I can get the same bps on a stock classic 'Mag as I can on a stock 'Cocker. The 'Mag is less complicated and easier to maintain. Overall, I prefer it to a 'Cocker.

BTW, I used to own a classic 'Mag, own a Cocker, and a 'Mag RT. The only reason I sold my classic is because I had my RT. The RT sees more use than the 'Cocker, not because I'm brainwashed, but because I prefer it more.

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

Hold on a second here, AGD as WGP beat marker to marker? At best its an opinion at worst it is a blanket statement. WGP is just replying to customer demand, people want milling, annodizing and all the neat little things.

I love my MicroRT, in fact it is my main marker, but I love my Merlin also, both are extremely good markers, the cocker is not complex it just appears that way on the outside and the fact AGD does do a better job in customer support.

Az

[flatacid]

i owned a cocker for 2-3 years. i spent pretty much 900 or so dollars, for it to be the same gun. everything got changed on it.

stock cockers are cool outa the box. stock mags are kool outa the box. i like both, but will probably never own a cocker again. they are money pits.



heres a small veiw. goto warpig's classifieds section. tell me what the most common gun being sold is. its not mags. :)

[Brak]

by making this thread...

[digitard]

Well all I have to say is I have a classic valve mag ... and I went to the field just under 2 weeks ago, and 3 of the Cockers players and one of the Shocker 4x4 players asked if they could use my gun for a round and afterwards they all said they really dug its accuracy and ROF. Now its not stock but the valve and trigger was (I just upgraded to intelliframe but it was stock at the time) ....

When it comes down to it ... my mag is reliable, great shot, EXTREMELY quiet (outside a few foot radius), and very customizable with minimal struggles .... I've had my mag for about 5yrs without anything but standard Oring/wear issues ... I

Give me a mag anyday...

Sincerely,
Dave K

[MinimagRockin']

Automag RT/RTP's are simply the best(out of the box) mechanical paintguns one can buy. Don't try to deny it. As far as stock classic mags vs cockers, they are pretty much the same on all levels performance wise on hpa (which nearly 100% of the paintball community will be using in the not too distant future I predict). Now you take two guns that are the same from the performance standpoint but not the same as far as complexity goes. Mags are far simpler in design than cockers, making them easier to fix, work on, field stip, upgrade, etc, etc. "They're fine if you don't mess with them..." Well there's nothing to mess with in the first place on a mag...

Oh and where is wgps electro? Or even a gun that can compete with an rtp? Where's their air tank that can compete with a flatline? Where's their customer service? How about an Autockers Online? If you want to talk AGD vs WGP, AGD owns.

[strongboy2005]

Originally posted by MinimagRockin'
Oh and where is wgps electro? Or even a gun that can compete with an rtp? Where's their air tank that can compete with a flatline? Where's their customer service? How about an Autockers Online? If you want to talk AGD vs WGP, AGD owns.

E-orracle, orracle or even a stock cocker for that matter could beat an rt Pro IMO.

Tanks?

http://www.worr.com/pics/82.jpg

http://www.worr.com/pics/84.jpg

http://www.worr.com/pics/83.jpg

if we must...

customer service? i wouldn't know never had a prob with my cocker.

unless u have an rt pro on it's sweet spot or some other illegal crap that u can do to them, then you can't beat a 1 mm trigger pull.

[Dayspring]

Is she back here starting trouble again? I thought we changed the locks last time...

I would love to see this 1mm trigger pull. Do you actually know what 1mm is? Measurement wise? I HIGHLY doubt you have it tricked that far. In any case- I would love to take you out to our field- RT versus your cocker. I'd place my fastest shooting person against you and we'll see how you do.

Originally posted by strongboy2005


E-orracle, orracle or even a stock cocker for that matter could beat an rt Pro IMO.

See. IMO. That's your opinion. And you're entitled to it. HOWEVER, fact is fact. And in this case, you're WAY wrong.

unless u have an rt pro on it's sweet spot or some other illegal crap that u can do to them, then you can't beat a 1 mm trigger pull.

Yeah, but by the time your gun has cycled to shoot again or it busts a hose, you've got a rain of paint coming towards your sorry hide. (And I emphasize SORRY)

Oh, and for the last time-

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

[CRog075]

Originally posted by MinimagRockin'
to mess with in the first place on a mag...

Oh and where is wgps electro? Or even a gun that can compete with an rtp? Where's their air tank that can compete with a flatline? Where's their customer service? How about an Autockers Online? If you want to talk AGD vs WGP, AGD owns.

You are freaking retarded. First of all, I owned both a cocker and a mag, I prefered the cocker over the mag, because of better accuracy I had and ROF.

A gun that can compete with a RTP? Any autococker

WGP does have an electro...you must be behind times.

And yes, they have a air tank, just as good as the flatline.

Go check there site if you want customer service.

Please show how AGD owns, the best gun AGD has, is the X-Mag and E-mag, which own. But other than that, automags, RTs, etc, arnt the best.

So in conclusion, you got owned by strongboy2005 too.

[CRog075]

Originally posted by Dayspring



See. IMO. That's your opinion. And you're entitled to it. HOWEVER, fact is fact. And in this case, you're WAY wrong.

So you are saying its a fact that RTP is better than an autococker? Well, I dunno about you, but when I see pictures of tournys, i dont see any mags as much as kinds of cockers. Why? Cockers are better, unless its an Xmag or Emag.

[TRIAD]

Originally posted by CRog075


So you are saying its a fact that RTP is better than an autococker? Well, I dunno about you, but when I see pictures of tournys, i dont see any mags as much as kinds of cockers. Why? Cockers are better, unless its an Xmag or Emag.

Why are 'cocker so much better? My ReTro 'mag can fire as fast as I can pull it, which is pretty darn fast, compared to most 'cockers. It never breaks paint, and it is nice and light. Also, my 'mag was cheaper than a lot of nice 'cockers it can outshoot. So what makes a 'cocker so much better?

[strongboy2005]

Originally posted by TRIAD


Why are 'cocker so much better? My ReTro 'mag can fire as fast as I can pull it, which is pretty darn fast, compared to most 'cockers. It never breaks paint, and it is nice and light. Also, my 'mag was cheaper than a lot of nice 'cockers it can outshoot. So what makes a 'cocker so much better?

cockers are faster, smoother, more accurate, out range, and are lighter than any mag all the way up to an x-mag. mags will never have one up on autocockers. they cater to europe, which is the only place you'll find them nvery popular. You can sit and tweak with cockers, get them so short that you don't think it could be shorter, then get it even shorter again. And YES a 1 mm pull is highly HIGHLY possible with a hinge and an orracle 3-way and some extra time...

[Dayspring]

I'm going to come out and say it.

IDIOT

Originally posted by strongboy2005


faster, smoother, more accurate, out range...any mag all the way up to an x-mag.

[TRIAD]

Originally posted by Dayspring
I'm going to come out and say it.

IDIOT

Right on.

Faster, no. EMag with Emagnum cycled at 30 bps. www.butters.org

Fastest I've seen a 'cocker is under 20.

Smoother? Whatever that means.

Accuracy and range is a dead, beaten, reincarnated, beaten again, dead again, reincarnated, dead, beaten, dead, geez, you should know that by now.

I think the upper-end 'cockers are pretty nice. I will stick with my 'mag though.

Dude, you just kind of ended this argument with that absolutely idiotic post.