Makers looking like real guns? good/bad??

[ogre55]

Originally posted by zach rumchak
i was scanning through and i seen you should be 18 to purchase paintball equipment "walmart sticks to this rule"

well i dont think they do,i have bought p8 from them i am 14yrs old and my cousin knows someone who went in bout a brass eagle gun accidentally shot a friend in the eye and the parents sued wal-mart for selling them the gun
and the bad thing is is i live around the chicagoland area it isnt like the middle of nowhere were it makes a little difference

bye the way the kid did loose sight in that eye so use your safteys ok!

This is very interesting in that:

A) I have never heard of this incident so I guess it did not make the national news (I am in NYC) and

B) The, as cledford amusingly called them, Soccer Moms did not use this incident as a rallying cry to mobilize the troops against our sport.

Are we off the liberal radar? I doubt it as the city of Baltimore has recently banned paintball. I wonder what this means?

AGD and Co., are you not in the Chicagoland area? Have you heard of this incident or any reprecutions that resulted from it?

Ogre

[zach rumchak]

i am not 100% sure of that this happened but this is what my cousin told me


but i am sure that wal-mart sold me and my friends a box of pmi premium

[The Dreaded Jew]

if you want the look of real guns play airsoft. if you know where i can find a duck paintball gun tell me i want it. but the gun look bad it destroyes everything that paintball has worked to get out of when it emerged from the wood to become a ligit sport. besides the gun look is just a spyder or spyder clone with somesort of shell over it. stay away from the gun look!

[rudy]

where do you people get the idea that the woods are some kind of inferior low class type of paintball. look at the comments. jeeze, first of all i dont know where you came from but where i came from the entire reason "speedball" took over was because it was easier to ref and easier to watch, easier to setup and keep fair. not cause we thought the woods were some horrible place to be. or we were trying to break some stereotype. the truth of tha matter is it is very difficult to make a fair/even field in the woods due the fact that trees/land features do not have a controllable pattern. the real reason we came out of the woods could easily be argued that we lacked the intelligence and will power be able to design quality competitive fields in such an area. so we made speed ball real easy take any setup mirror it and you can say its fair. we can argue all day long about this but it all comes down to opinion and for as many reasons that you can give that the woods are some horrible place to play i can give just as many why speed ball is just as bad and takes less skill. in the end it doesnt matter cause either can be just as challenging in a well setup field. there is nothing more newbish then someone who just says i hate speedball cause of this and that, except maybe someone who feels the same about woods ball.
BTW paintball still isnt a legit sport, how do i know cause there are more people playing paintball then most other extreme sports including snowboarding, yet you dont see us getting any air time. just about any sport that as little a 10 players do can get in the olympics and or xgames, but not paintball and they know about our speedball. so obviosly that didnt solve anything.

[Sledgehammer]

Bad Idea to have them look like real guns!!!

Over here there's a law that interdicts everything that looks like a fully automatic weapon. Every paintball marker has to be put through a legislation process.
List of things that make Paintball guns look like a fully automatic weapon:

Combination of pistol grip and buttstock (yes, you con't have rifles with a pistol grip over here).
Any sort of vertically mounted bottle, frontgrip, expansion chamber, regulator or battery pack on the front part of the gun (whatever could be mistaken for a clip). Muzzle breaks.
M16 style carrying grips.
Bipods.

So, no it's not a good idea at all!!!

[TheEmagGuy]

ok,,,

These guns have been around for a few years, Anyone can get them and they wont ruin the sport, they are intended for tactical training and non lethal weapons.. As well rec and scenario players..

AT85, AT16, AT10, AT4, Rustys Weapons, Custom Weapons, Tippmann A5, M4 RAM and its versions

These markers do NOT give the sport a bad name. The person using the sport gives a bad name if he uses it the wrong way. Then again I could go down town shooting my E-mag if I wanted to give paintball a bad name so ANY MARKER can do this.

about *some bodys gonna get shot*

ya if ur stupid enough to walk in the middle of the street firing at people.. but some people are and for those people i have no emotions if they do get shot.

[The Dreaded Jew]

what im saying about the woods thing is that when people who are uneducated about paintball thing about playing in the woods they thing of scary militia guys in camo going out drinking and shooting guns at eachother in the back woods of like wisconson (im not bashing any one from wisconson) im not opposed in any way to woods ball its just its more of a steriotype of guys shooting guns thgats all i ment by it

[cledford]

Re: ok,,,

Originally posted by TheEmagGuy

These markers do NOT give the sport a bad name. The person using the sport gives a bad name if he uses it the wrong way. Then again I could go down town shooting my E-mag if I wanted to give paintball a bad name so ANY MARKER can do this.

I agree completely, most of the stupid stunts you hear about (Like the idiots driving around Alaska shooting Eskimos) are done with Brass Eagle crap. (Easy to obtain, cheap to buy...) It is WHAT you do with the marker - not how it looks.

For the guys in others countrys - again sorry about your luck, but you allow your goverments to enact such foolish laws - fix the problem - why should I ngive up my rights because you (and your fellow citizens) gave up theirs?

-Calvin

[Stotic]

The whole thing adds a nice aspect to Big Games and Scenario games. The markers are pointless in any other intance and just represent our sport badly.

[Warped Designs]

Well, to start with the 3 members of Bog Frogs (novice or am b i forgot which) all shot markers made to look like actually fire arms, and yes they play speed ball and on sup air fields.
One is a mag and the other are spyder clones.

I have held a mp5, fired it, stripped it, cleaned it and to me it looks very little like the Tippmann A-5.

The AT series of paintball markers were designed for military training (mostly the marines)

The local field we practice on is owned by a police officer, nearly a quarter of the normal playing crowd are police men. Another large percentage are former military (including myself).


The sniper is not using a m-16, the bullets and shell case recovered are .223 caliber (which is a for the most part a varmint gun and can be found in bolt action, lever, and semi auto).

[MinimagRockin']

Quote Bulldog- "I think it's a bad idea, if I saw someone carring that gun down the street, he wouldn't have long before he had my gun aimed at him, and not much longer before he got shot."

You're telling me you would bust out your gun (I'm guessing a 45 pistol or something like that) on someone who looked like they were toting an m16 around? That's ballsy, to say the least. Hypothetically if I had an m16 and someone whipped out a glock on me I'd rip 'em a new one. It's like dualling with paint guns where someone has a stock class phantom and the other guy has an angel set at 12bps fullauto. The guy with the phantom is going to get maybe one shot off before a wall of paint rains down on him. Personally that's a firefight I'd walk away from.

[Bulldog]

No, I'd get into cover where I could view him unobserved if possible (also read: hide), call for lots of backup, and only challenge him if he was threatening someone with it.

I was just trying say how you cant really tell the difference between something like this and a real gun. I wasn't laying out my plan of action or anything, just saying: damn that looks like a real gun, and if someone did something stupid with it I might have to shoot. That's all.

[einhander619]

Yeah, those things look pretty mean, which is how real guns, not markers, SHOULD look. This is a bad deal, right here. I don't even understand the merit of using one these things in a scenario game! It's still paintball, and it's not like a setup that is great for speedball will suddenly become worthless in a woods/scenario environment. Paintball is a performance oriented sport, anyways. None of the parts on that that are functional as a firearm are functional in paintball. If someone stopped to setup the tripod or look through the scope, either I or one of my buddies would bunker them! It's not like that thing performs as well as most markers, anyways.

[Rooster]

The guns are a great idea, and only those who are scared of real firearms are scared of the prospect of their use. To the soccer mom a gun is a gun, whether it shoots paint, BB's, or bullets, and their little Tommy won't have one.

But running scared like the sky is falling everytime some ultra liberal organization takes a stab at paintball will do only one thing, ensure they do it again, and again, and again. Until someone stands up and tells them to mind their own business.

[cledford]

Originally posted by Rooster
The guns are a great idea, and only those who are scared of real firearms are scared of the prospect of their use. To the soccer mom a gun is a gun, whether it shoots paint, BB's, or bullets, and their little Tommy won't have one.

But running scared like the sky is falling everytime some ultra liberal organization takes a stab at paintball will do only one thing, ensure they do it again, and again, and again. Until someone stands up and tells them to mind their own business.

Amen, brother!

-Calvin