No Warped Sportz or Angel heaven at World Cup

[GT]

Originally posted by JEDI
Alcohol is sold at nearly every American sporting event. What if your son or daughter was on the way to a paintball event and fell in an open man hole. (does that make any sense?--no). Moderation is the key. Besides, we've moved away from the main issue. Who cares about the beer.(me) I don't like the fact that some things are being labeled lewd or unacceptable. DAMN THORDIC YOU TYPE TOO FAST.

hmmm... I don't know any high school events that have beer at them, infact some colleges are not selling alchol at there events for the same reason LIABALITY

[billmi]

Originally posted by Thordic
Every major sport has alcohol for sale to the spectators. Sorry, but that arguement doesn't hold water.

How many major sporting events serve alcohol when they are unable to find insurance coverage for their event that permits the sale of alcohol.

And if your reply is "it must be out there," get in touch with PSP. I would not be surprised at all if they would be willing to pay you a finders fee for finding it for them, as they have faced a number of frustrations over the past few years with their present insurance provider. A policy that did not require separate insurance for golfcarts, allowed quads, and alcohol, and didn't cost so much that they'd have to further raise the entry fees would be a dream come true for them.

Also, I'd change that age bracket. A signfigant portion of paintballers, especially at the upper tournament level, are of the legal age to drink.

While that's true, it's also true that a significant number aren't. Doesn't anyone remember the flap over minors being served alcohol, that led to a vendor being asked not to return after the 1999 World Cup (Paintball Sports Inc. then producer of the event was concerned over a loss of their use permit).

Note: When I went to IAO, I didn't expect any alcohol to be served. I was surprised when it was. I think there's nothing wrong with it as long as it's controlled.

Even if it makes the event insurance invalid?
Only if you've got a bank account fat enough to cover your own losses, is that a good idea.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[hitech]

Originally posted by billmi
The Warped Sportz press release did not say they consulted with PSP to see if what they had planned was acceptable... It may well have been acceptable.

That is the bottom line. All they had to do was ask "what if". But I doubt they bothered. While the rest of the discussion has been very interesting (thanks Bill for from very enlightening facts), it really has little to do with the original issue.

[*ArKfEaR*]

damn that sounded mad cool, i dont just wanna go to the world cup and see just paintball products. I want it to be interesteding, wtf are they stupid? WTF is the legal drinking age for? Umm no alcohol..umm gj there guys. As well as LEWD behavior, ummm again wtf? LEWD usually means cool. Wow im pissed, i was actually thinking of going this year, no angel heaven. Im not goin..

[shartley]

Originally posted by *ArKfEaR*
damn that sounded mad cool, i dont just wanna go to the world cup and see just paintball products. I want it to be interesteding, wtf are they stupid? WTF is the legal drinking age for? Umm no alcohol..umm gj there guys. As well as LEWD behavior, ummm again wtf? LEWD usually means cool. Wow im pissed, i was actually thinking of going this year, no angel heaven. Im not goin..

I was going to post a response to this, but will use my better judgment and not......

[manike]

I was going to get into this but I think I'll leave it a lot of it to those already involved.

I will state that I do know what WDP did at Campaign (I was there) and I do not believe it was illegal (in this country anyway) one of the guys from WDP did say they knew a little more about what they could get away with in their own country. I don't know if it would be illegal or not under the same circumstances in the USA.

It was done in a private tent at invite only and was not on open display to anyone and everyone (although many tried to get in).

I feel the alchohol ban to be a shame, it's great to relax at the end of an event over a cold one with friends, but I won't have too much of a problem waiting until we get away from site. I do think it might be a step done to curb some of the drunk driving of golf carts which became dangerous last year and if that is a case they are penalising many for the few idiots they should actually be impacting on.

manike

[Thordic]

Ahh, I almost forgot about the drunk golf cart driving at IAO. I only saw one instance of it, but I was only there a few days. They somehow managed to go around the fairgrounds and get back without any trouble, but it definitely isn't safe.

This was an of-age person, who I know was drinking. They weren't "drunk" drunk, to the point they were stumbling or anything, but I don't believe they should have been operating a vehicle, I'll put it that way.

[cphilip]

The NCAA has for some time now banned the sale of Alcohol at events. Since the early 80's I think. Universities and College's do not sell Alcohol at games if they are a NCAA member and most are.

There is nothing stopping any of them from renting a room and hiring a bar tender to proceed with an after day party. That is the plan for SC AO. We will make sure its done within the letter and spirit of the law. Just not there on the site like they are at WC. Well...nothing is stoping WS from doing that except for the fact that they childishly took their marbels and went home!

[Thordic]

NCAA isn't professional, though. I wouldn't expect alcohol at college games. Hell, lots of colleges are dry campuses now.

Stupid administration people, ruining our fun!

Its our right to drink ourselves stupid if we want to, so long as we stay away from cars, guns, fireworks, sharp pointy objects, helicopters, cliffs, airplanes, deep pits, short doorways, slippery hallways, "cute" farm animals, ugly women, permanant markers, tattoo parlors, electric sockets, and the ocean.

[cphilip]

didn't imply they were professional....I was just adding to someones statement about what sports allow alcohol is all. But as to the NCAA, Now you gotta keep it in the parking lot!

And who says they are not professional!!! Ooops! Never mind!

[ogre55]

Regarding Bill Mills' post on player participation in the NPPL (I didn't quote it for the sake of brevity) that is just plain sad. The information was an eye opener.

How are we to make our sport more acceptable to the general public, when the supposed vangaurd of the sport, the professional players and teams, don't seem to give a flying fig what happens to it?

Ogre

[shartley]

Originally posted by ogre55
How are we to make our sport more acceptable to the general public, when the supposed vangaurd of the sport, the professional players and teams, don't seem to give a flying fig what happens to it?

Ogre

[ogre55]

So then moving on from the theoritical to the practical, how do we propose to do this. Where does the NFL (not the teams mind you, but the actual League organization) get the money to function. I would guess from the team owners. In order to be part of the league, you have to pay to be a member.

Since most of the pro teams are either owned by, or heavily sponsered by, manufacturers, then what needs to be done is the NPPL, or any other organizing body, needs to become proactive in seeking contributions, or fees from the manufacturers to allow their teams to play in NPPL events.

This brings another issue to the fore, which has to do with money and accountability. If the NPPL (I will continue using them as an analogy, even though you can replace them with any of the other league organizations in paintball) were to get most or all of it's financial support from the manufacturers, who would they be accountable to? Would a manufacturer or team sponser be able to influence them somehow because they hold the purse strings?

This does not seem to an issue in major sports as the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL etc. have become the standard and no one team, no matter how much they contribute, would be able to influence them, I hope. But what about our little sport. Money wise, we are not nearly as big. And in the 20 years of this sport's existance we have already had at least 3 large organization, that I know of, come and go (IPPA and two NPPLs)

And finally, what would stop some huge manufacturer (Kingman and BE come to mind) with too much money from starting up their own competing organization that they control exclusively?

Ogre

[hitech]

Originally posted by ogre55
Would a manufacturer or team sponser be able to influence them somehow because they hold the purse strings?

This does not seem to an issue in major sports as the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL etc. have become the standard and no one team, no matter how much they contribute, would be able to influence them, I hope.

I think you are kidding yourself. Where do you think the special rules for quarterbacks came from? Not from any of the teams without a star quarterback. Why do the stars in the NBA get a few extra steps on the way to the basket? I know it's kind of off the subject, but it does happen in the major sports.

[GT]

Shartly I agree with you 100%

However one big difernce I see in all these sports, for the most part, is ONE governing body. I think it is about time that a group be formed of ALL the manufactures, dealers, and players. They can hash out how the rules are going to be played and so forht. I think it is both a unity and accountability issue.