New Proto Slug Body PICS!!!!

[shartley]

Originally posted by Miscue
My main idea with this telescoping/stepping body is that... it looks good to me... and I think it's cheaper/simpler for AGD to mill...

Those fancy bodies would be good for custom situations I'd say...

[Miscue]

The body is one of THE most expensive parts for AGD to make. Being able to use a lathe rather than a special milling machine will save them a bundle... speed up production... and the customer ultimately saves money and gets their stuff sooner as well.

This body is supposed to be their medium-range body... this is not their high end body. Think: Big Mac... not Restaurant Steak... or quarter-pounder (classic body) at that. The main idea is that they are replacing a steel body with an aluminum one. The ability to mill and anodize is a bonus. If people want fancy and spend money, they can get an Extreme body... or 3rd parties can mill stuff to their hearts content and charge a premium for special bodies.

But if AGD figures a way to do fancy milling and keep costs down... awesome!

My rail mod idea would be minor modifications to the stock RT rail design... a la the rail in my picture. Additional foregrip... AGD doesn't have to necessarily make... they can get from someone - similar to how they get the DYE Grips.

Oh... and I did in chrome because it was easier with the pics I had. Color options abound...

Ideas is all...

[kemikos]

Am I the only one who would use a Slug Body as is, just because no one else does?

Hey, "ugly" guns can have a certain appeal, too, to the right kind of person...

-Kenn

EDIT: By the way, I should have mentioned that I do really like Shartley's design as well... That whole "blending the thin part of the body with the barrel" thing really looks sharp, IMO.

[shartley]

[AcemanPB]

While I like Miscue's idea about the foregrip and body rail, I'm not really liking the body.

But I do disagree with shartley. I think it would be wonderful for AGD to make a body just like your idea (it's my favorite ) but I think it is also necasary for AGD to produce an "economy" body that has simple milling (such as Miscue's) so that it is cheaper. Look at your stock autocockers and your stock angels, they aren't milled all nice and pretty at the base level but if you pay a little more you can get them cut any way you want. I think AGD should stick to this idea too.

[Miscue]

Umm... what's available are PVC pipe-like tubes that can't be milled or anodized - and come in the colors: black, polished, and grey. Personally... I'd take something that less resembles PVC... and can be turned into pretty colors. BTW... "sooner" meaning... no several month delay like we have with the Extreme.

Now, as far as my statements go... they are my opinions based on what I think I know (correct me if I'm wrong anywhere)... and what AO frequenters know:

AGD already has a high end body: Extreme.

The slug body is intended to replace all bodies except the classic and Extreme (and variants).

With this in mind, unless AGD wants to jack up the price of RT Pros and such... their new body can't cost them too much.

Thus, the body can only be as fancy as $ allows.

Now, I have no idea what the fancy vs cost ratio is when it comes to milling... but I would imagine increased complexity/curves = more $...

Can AGD clarify on what can and cannot be done with these bodies such that we can head in the right direction with this?

[Miscue]

Originally posted by AcemanPB
While I like Miscue's idea about the foregrip and body rail, I'm not really liking the body.

This body doesn't make me jump for joy either, but I was hoping it could spark ideas, or someone could improve upon it with some imagination...

[Strider]

Wow Shartley, nice work! I truly do like.

I also like the extension idea AcemanPB had on your design. Assuming of course one could get a Slug to go back that far...

[AGD]

Miscue is right in that this body has to look cool BUT be easy to machine if we make it. We would like to think it will spark a host of aftermarket guys and end users to make up their own.

We would like to think that we will make a couple of simple but cool designs and this will be about half the production of these bodies. The other half would go out raw to be customized by others.

Cu's body is the best for simple machining. Some of the others are impossible or very costly. If you want to keep it simple use parts of cones (lathe) and pockets more that 3/8" wide (mill) to create your designs.

For example, if you cut a cone in the front and back so the they tapper to points and then cut slots in the side, that would be less expensive.

Like Cu said everyone should post even crappy pics so it stimulates new ideas.

AGD

[Sooky]

Hi all,

Well, I just wanted to say that I think whatever design is decided upon should stand out and be very original. It should be so drastically different from other designs, that eventually when people see it, it screams "Mag" and any other markers milling it in a similar style would be without a doubt copying the design. I think it would sell best to those looking for a performance marker that really stands out - there are so many nice Angel and Cocker designs that even their body styles seem to blend in after a while, in my opinion.

Thats why I like Omni's for the simplicity and originality of it, and SHartley's for the way in which the body appears to wrap around the barrel (also very original). I like Miscue's idea for the foregrip as well... though the Flame mag looks nice, I again think it should be original and scream for attention rather than copying others.

Oh, and I also would rather purchase a more expensive but original marker, than a boring/unoriginal/simple, but only slightly more expensive marker...

[Smoken]

I don't see a problem with making these just the simple tube design that mags have always had. Making this body into a tube the same size as the current bodies would be cheap, and would solve several "problems": the new bodies would anodize-able, would have cocker threads, and a no-rise centerfeed. I have no problem with the looks of the current mag bodies, and would love too see these new aluminum bodies on the market as soon as possible. If people want fancy milling, they can buy an Extreme.

[Bulldog]

Shartley, I really like your design. One small question: Could you put the same arc thats on the black part by the valve on the black part by the barrel? Once again, great design.

[Bulldog]

Heres what I mean:

[shartley]

Thanks Tom. Well, there is nothing like blindfolding and then handcuffing an artist and telling him to paint the Sistine Chapel.

I had a much longer post written, but I am afraid some folks would take it the wrong way... so I am not posting it. I will however just state that I am more than a bit disappointed.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Bulldog
Shartley, I really like your design. One small question: Could you put the same arc thats on the black part by the valve on the black part by the barrel? Once again, great design.

Thanks.

Yes, I could. But I am not going to. I am not saying this to be rude, but instead because Tom already all but admitted that it (and other nice designs) will not be made by AGD because they can not afford them. The truth sucks some times....

I see no reason to continue with that design process when it seems pretty clear that Tom will not use it, or anything like it. Sorry.