I hate Twist-Lock, how about you?

[JEDI]

I really dislike the twist lock design. This is my opinion, and I'm not looking for any harassment. I do intend to explain myself, so dont take this as a blatant AGD flame. Opposing opinions are welcome obviously, but please dont respond if you're one of those "I would defend poop on a stick if AGD made it" poeple.

I used to like it due to its simplicity of releasing the barrel. I own two mags, a Pro, and a ULE Emag. Now, after customing my Emag extensively, and owning a cocker, I cant stand the twist lock.

From a design stand point its an engineering nightmare. Why would you add 7 parts (2 Orings, 2 nubbins, 3 twist lock parts) to do the job of 1 simple threaded barrel? Sure you need a ball detent with conventional treads, but its a proven design that works.

Tom, what was your motivation, back when your first Mags came out? Was it simply to be different? When properly adjusted and what not they work, but theres still so much room for hassle. Add in the fact that different barrel companies tolerances arent always perfect. Two of my DYE barrels always give me trouble.

I switched all my Emag parts to new ULE parts, and the twist lock assembly is the one part giving me ridiculous trouble. I guess some one will argue that twist lock is great, but let me ask you this: Why did Tom switch to cocker threads for the Xmag? And why is there a new threaded slug body for all mags?

I think Twist lock was a bad idea that just made it too far.

Darn I hate twist Lock.

[digitard]

I dont know his motivation, but I know I dig it ...

Mainly cause if a ball breaks, or anything I can remove my barrel and squeegy it in the same time it takes to remove a twist off barrel.

Sincerely,
Dave K

[Scootyd]

I believe that tom was thinking along the lines of quick release for cleaning. I also am not a fan of the twist lock barrels. That's why I have a micro and micro e. The regular e-mag would have been cheaper but I like the threaded barrels. Just my .02

[Sir Chopsalot]

i thought it said in the video that putting threads into the steel body would be too difficult.....dont quote me on that

Tom, what was your motivation, back when your first Mags came out?

[RetroEclipseMan]

I think in some aspects that the twist lock isn't the greatest but I like that fact it makes it easy to take the barrel off the gun.I haven't had a problem using different twist lock barrels on my gun like you have so I can't say I've had problems with it that way. The thing I don't like about the twist lock systme is that if you aren't paying attention when you pull off the barrel you'll start losing paint if you tip it down. I used to remedy this problem on the field by just turning the feed plug to stop the revy from feeding paint but now with the no-rise body on my gun i have to be a little more carefull. This is however a minor problem.

[JEDI]

Digitard-- Well, I suppose. That used to be my argument too. Until I converted my Emag to a center feed, and needed even more barrels. Thats a part I forgot to mention too. Centerfeed! you need completely new barrels!

Have you ever had to work on the twist lock, or remove it? Nothing but trouble.

[Evil Bob]

Economy of motion = speed... Back in the old days (early 90's), the fastest barrel removal system on the market was on the AutoMag. Nothing else was faster then twist 90 degrees and pull straight out, the rest of the market had lots of threads to turn through before you could remove the barrel. This was long before Level 10 was even a dream, before the kindler, gentler paintball loving bolt systems of today.

The removable breaches is why he's gone to the threaded barrles, it's easier to support one barrel instead of going for three different barrel backs to support all three breach directions. Going with cocker threads was an easy answer to the different breaches.

-Evil Bob

[JEDI]

So it's an older design based on the idea of quickly removing your barrel. Years have past, and several new mags have come out. I would think Tom would see the flaw in the design (in my opinion) and the fact that its a redesign of the wheel. 10 extra seconds to remove your barrel wont kill any one. Most tourney players dont remove anyway, they use the one shot.

I just think it allows for too many other problematic issues that out-weigh the necessity for speedy barrel removal.

[FreshmanBob]

weeeeeeeeeeeelll he is putting out the cocker threaded sluggo bodies, and the cocker threaded x-mags...

its almost like Tom's way ahead of ya jedi.

[Evil Bob]

Level 10 came out but a few months ago... and the extreme and the new slug bodies all have cocker threads. Put 2 and 2 together and you have your answer.

Yes, the Mag is evolving to a new barrel type since the chopping at the bolt issue has been resolved, now all we need to do is eliminate barrel breaks...

-Evil Bob

[hitech]

I love the twist lock barrel. It is very easy to remove/replace. I can't think of any problems with it. Threaded barrel can (and do) strip threads. Twist locks don't.

BTW, the ONLY reason that the extreems and slugo bodys use cocker threads (instead of a twist lock style) is because more people like/want cocker threads. Period. It has NOTHING to do with cocker (or any other) threaded barrels being better. It's ONLY because that is what the custome wants.

[�.C.]

I love twist lock, it's one reason why mags are more unique. The only problem I have with the twist lock is that barrel companies HATE IT THEY DON'T MAKE AUTOMAG BARRELS BECAUSE OF IT! Other than that te twist lock is lovely.

[ben_JD]

Originally posted by hitech
BTW, the ONLY reason that the extreems and slugo bodys use cocker threads (instead of a twist lock style) is because more people like/want cocker threads. Period. It has NOTHING to do with cocker (or any other) threaded barrels being better. It's ONLY because that is what the custome wants.

To elaborate: the high-end Autococker owner will more easily be convinced to drop a thousand dollars on a marker to which he/she already owns the correct barrels. Marketing.

[JEDI]

Originally posted by hitech
I love the twist lock barrel. It is very easy to remove/replace. I can't think of any problems with it. Threaded barrel can (and do) strip threads. Twist locks don't.

BTW, the ONLY reason that the extreems and slugo bodys use cocker threads (instead of a twist lock style) is because more people like/want cocker threads. Period. It has NOTHING to do with cocker (or any other) threaded barrels being better. It's ONLY because that is what the custome wants.

I have never seen a barrel thread strip. I've seen people carelessly cross thread them, but not strip. Maybe with careless misuse.

I'm not arguing that cocker threads specifically are better than other threads, just that threaded barrels in general are better than twist lock. And the fact that more people want/like it better does say something. In general (not always) people will like a better simpler, better design, hence: more people want threaded mag barrels.

You say that you've never seen a problem with twist lock. How about the fact that no one wants to make twist lock barrels any more? How about the fact that most twist lock barrels weigh/cost more than threaded barrels. How many guns do you own? If you ever change your mag to a center feed, or you ever get another gun, tell me how annoying it is to get new barrels! I now own a HL Boomstick, a center feed Boomstick, and a Cocker Boomstick. Seems very unnecessary

[EsPo]

i love twist lock.. except when it comes to warp feed....

it seems like the warp pushes the ball that is next to shoot to far into the chamber, then when you twist off the barrel, it breaks that ball.... ive done that many times.