I hate Twist-Lock, how about you?

[JEDI]

Originally posted by hitech

Companies not wanting to make twist lock barrels has NOTHING to do with how well the twist lock works.

No, it doesnt effect the way the twist lock works, but if you cant get twist lock barrels eventually, what good is it. Twist lock can be the best thing ever, but if no one makes a barrel to go with it, its not worth crap

Originally posted by hitech

Because the cost more they are inferior? What does that say about high end markers (Angels, CnC Extreems, etc)?

I didnt say they are inferior because they cost more. I SAID THEY COST MORE! I guess you dont mind spending $10 extra for a barrel. Your acting like availability and price mean nothing, and has nothing to do with the design. Would you buy shoes that only work with $50 laces, and on top of that you cant find the laces any where?

Originally posted by hitech
I own four markers, why?

Ok, and how many different barrels do those 4 markers require? I own two mags, and because of twist lock I need two different barrels for guns made by the same company.

Originally posted by hitech
I don't want a lot of expensive barrels so it isn't an issue. My $25 barrel shoots as well as ANY barrel I have seen.

Now I'm confused, you dont want expensive barrels, but you like paying $10 extra for mag barrels. I dont care if you want them or not, but theres a VERY small market for barrels under say $50. Do you think I like paying for 3 different Boomsticks?

I'm not arguing your opinion hitech, but to disregard issues like price, availability, and testimony of jamming and failure, is just naive. The whole basis of this forum is too see what people think. And generally its pretty smart to go with the majority's opinion.

Evolution of a product occurs based soley on what the public wants, because they discover what works better. I think my point is proven with the fact that Tom made his best of the best super gun X-mag with a threaded barrel. Its proven technology, and the twist lock is going to become out dated, and phased out.

[FooTemps]

I like the twist-lock system. It works fairly well, imo. I've never needed to remove the barrel in game but it really does help cleaning and preping for the next game. It also removes one thing to check, the ball detent. Since the nubbin (nubbin, i love that word) is part of the barrel you basically check 2 parts at once. It's a lot easier to have the breech, nubbin, and barrel all in once piece instead of 3 different pieces. This way it's easier to clean and inspect your parts.

[rikkter]

i like them. and then i dont
i tried my teamamtes boomstick once.. didn't fit. my other teammate told me he noticed that with boomsticks its mix and match, some work and some dont with mags. mainly the pin but still. i tried it on my other mag and it fit fine.
the other thing i dont like about them is when you shoot. and you chop a ball sometimes it'll go between the bolt and the barrel, or the body and barrel. either way in both cases its a pain to get the barrel out and sometimes gotta take the trigger frame off then the bodyrail and pin and why?

i like them cause they're quick and easy to remove and clean on and off the field.

jedi, instead of spending 100 dollars on another boomstick, why didn't you just get it milled for both vert and r or l feeds for like 20 dollars? just curious.

[JEDI]

Rikkter, I think by removing the trigger frame, you loosen the bond between the barrel, and the frame rail. Actually, I had an AO member mill my barrel to work for both, but that was just part of the process that frustrated me. Thank you though for the suggestion.

[KamikazeChiKenz]

Originally posted by rx2
Upon reading this, the "Diff'rent Strokes" theme song comes to mind. Well, parts of it.

Originally posted by SyntaxError
lol

"Watchu talkin' bout rx2?"

Now thats funny

[OldSchoolMag]

The twist-lock barrels were a nice design, made to optimize the speed of cleaning your barrel - not half bad, and it worked. The problem was, that the only things holding the barrel in place were the O-rings. Now, I don't know if you have tried this, but hold your marker solidly, and then attempt to move your barrel - you can. Not much, but that's ACCURACY you're moving there. The threaded barrels have a much much higher chance of hitting the target (assuming same bore to paint match, velocity, and other nit-picky things) because the threads hold the barrel more securely than 2 O-rings will.

I liked twist-lock back when I broke balls - but I like the change AGD is making to Cocker barrels - cheaper, you can find them in more places, and there are more to choose from.

OSM

[hitech]

Originally posted by JEDI
No, it doesn't effect the way the twist lock works, but if you can't get twist lock barrels eventually, what good is it. Twist lock can be the best thing ever, but if no one makes a barrel to go with it, it's not worth crap.

You're right, if you can't get them it will be a big problem.

Originally posted by JEDI
I didn't say they are inferior because they cost more. I SAID THEY COST MORE! I guess you don't mind spending $10 extra for a barrel.

Again, you're right. I don't mind paying a little extra for a twist lock barrel.

Originally posted by JEDI
Ok, and how many different barrels do those 4 markers require?

One. However, only the 'mag has removable barrels.

Originally posted by JEDI
Now I'm confused, you don't want expensive barrels, but you like paying $10 extra for 'mag barrels.

Nothing to be confused about. I don't mind paying A LITTLE extra. I do NOT buy expensive barrels. I have a stock emag barrel (paid $25 for it), a crown point (was basically free with a parts kit ), a smartparts progressive that was a gift (I don't think those are expensive, are they?) and a stock minimag barrel that was also a gift.

Originally posted by JEDI
...to disregard issues like price, availability, and testimony of jamming and failure, is just naive... And generally it's pretty smart to go with the majority's opinion.

Price and availability are issues. They just have not been issues for me, therefore they are not an issue for me. I'm also not ignoring the testimonies of jamming, it's just that this is the first I have heard of it (where the twist lock was at fault). I've heard of more problems with the threads of cocker barrels than with twist locks. Maybe it's because there are more of them. And generally I have found that the majority's opinion is often wrong.

Originally posted by JEDI
Evolution of a product occurs based solely on what the public wants, because they discover what works better. I think my point is proven with the fact that Tom made his best of the best super gun X-mag with a threaded barrel. It's proven technology and the twist lock is going to become out dated, and phased out.

Evolution of a product does NOT occur based solely on what the public wants. Like I said earlier, the majority is often wrong. And Tom did NOT make the x-mag with a threaded barrel because it's better. He made it that way because it sells better, period. Tom prefers the twist lock. I'm sure of this as he told me so personally.

BTW, I am not bothered at all. Threads like these are my favorites. You learn more from people who do not agree with you than you do from those who do.

[hitech]

Originally posted by OldSchoolMag
...but hold your marker solidly, and then attempt to move your barrel - you can. Not much, but that's ACCURACY you're moving there.

Nope. It does NOT affect accuracy at all. The paintball is long gone BEFORE the barrel can move. I believe Tom has proof of this somewhere, but has probably grown tired of proving it.

[hitech]

Anyone else?

[rikkter]

post whore

[magman007]

Ok, and how many different barrels do those 4 markers require? I own two mags, and because of twist lock I need two different barrels for guns made by the same company

Hmmm, same company, diffent threads.... ever hear of the shocker and the impulse?

Now I'm confused, you dont want expensive barrels, but you like paying $10 extra for mag barrels. I dont care if you want them or not, but theres a VERY small market for barrels under say $50. Do you think I like paying for 3 different Boomsticks?

why did you buy a centerfeed bomer? you could have goten your barrle drilled for centerfeed, and if you wanted to use it on your other mag, you could have turned it a little harder back into the old twisty lock....


ALso, why did you pay for 3 boomsticks? you could have gotten some cp barrels, which imho are beter quality than the boomsticks, and you could have gotten 2 of each for that price.... there also about 40 dollars...



ME, i love the twist lock, i also live the breach of the marker, being in the barrel. Makes more sence to me, less space and things for the ball to travel on. Altho, now i shoot a sfl, so thats something i will need to get used to, but tom thought of thos, 3 -4 twists, and i can remove the breach, baisically the same idea as a twist lock!


also in your situation, for your money, you could have gotten a freak, and 3 separate backs for that money.... kinda sounds like you dug your own mistake here, and are trying to get out of it by blaming it on the twist lock



ALso, the olny reason tom has gone cocker threaded on the sluggo, is because people want it, he loves the twist lock

edited for spelling

[LaW]

I have read all of this....

i prefer twistlock


My only problem is Jedi

he says

I think my point is proven with the fact that Tom made his best of the best super gun X-mag with a threaded barrel

The reason for the jump to threaded barrels is the industry is moving towards a standard barrel threading :) That makes more sense than just saying that threaded barrels are better because Tom made the xmag come with them. Geez :)

[rikkter]

i'm agreeing with law here. tom never said they were 'better'. he stated that the autocockers are one of the most if not the most common barrels. every place has them so. not every place has automag barrels.

[JEDI]

I did have my Boomstick milled for centerfeed, and no you can't just twist the barrel back into the old slot. In fact Damageinc, who milled them, specifically said it would no longer work.

You're opinion is that CP barrels are better than Boomsticks. Thats not my opinion, so that doesn't solve any thing for me.

As far as a Freak goes, I own one of them too. The last thing I want is 3 freak backs for one gun. They're not cheap either.

Money is an issue, but not the biggest. I just dont like dealing with the problems the twist lock has given me. You cant always blame problems on user error. I've seen a lot of people with jammed barrels, or jumped rails. Sure, maybe they caused it, but it wouldn't happen with threads.

Again though, we're all arguing opinions. Some thing I dont like is ok for you. I just happen to think the twist lock is an unnecessary hassle, and a reinvention of an already simple idea. If Tom didnt invent the twist lock, would you be here today complaining about problems with threads? I doubt it.

[magman007]

WHY WOULDNT YOU WANT 3 FREAK BACKS?!?!?!?! THATS THE FRIGGIN POINT! that is one of the reasons to get a freak, is that and he paint matching. they evens ay, if yu change markers, dont hange barrles, just change the back. your choice didnt seam to make sence.