I hate Twist-Lock, how about you?

[FlagCarrier]

even you guys that hate the twist lock have to admit that agd has been very fair and customer-friendly with the release of the threaded ule bodies. at least you have options now.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Evil Bob
I bought a black ULE body yesterday ;p pppttthhh!!!

TRADER!

[AcemanPB]

I like twist lock, many people say it affects accuracy but with a threaded barrel the paintball is making the jump from a large bore (the breech) to a smaller bore (barrel) to me this seems like it would affect accuracy.

Anyway I wouldn't mind either one both do a good job in keeping your barrel on your gun .... and I have a Freak, the more backs the better!

[FlagCarrier]

Originally posted by AcemanPB
I like twist lock, many people say it affects accuracy but with a threaded barrel the paintball is making the jump from a large bore (the breech) to a smaller bore (barrel) to me this seems like it would affect accuracy.

that wouldnt necessarily affect accuracy, because any inconsistancies in the breach would be theoretically corrected in the barrel.

[JT2002]

Originally posted by hitech


TRADER!

um, ahem, *cough cough* Traitor!
i think u need to go study websters dictionary.
se habla espanol!

[Cristobal]

This point was aluded to oh so briefly somewhere on the first page, but I though I'd mention that in my opinion the twist lock is a marvelously ingenious solution to putting a breach and a barrel inside a stainless steel tube.

Looking at it from purely an engineering and ease of fabrication standpoint, it strikes me that the TL is probably simpler and more cost effective to produce given the automag body than a threaded style barrel system.

I would guess that the fact that the TL has stuck around has a lot to do with the fact that the automag continues to use the same stainless tube for a body.

It does not surprise me to see that now that we have aluminum bodies where we can more easily integrate threads, breach and body into one piece of material that we have cocker barrels offered on the new ULE and X-mags.

And in my opinion, the removable breach locked by a threaded barrel on the X-mag and SFL is the best of both worlds. Oddly enough, it too strikes me as quite ingenious

[p8ntballsnowman]

I have jammed my twist lock by accidentally slamming it down so that the hole is on the other side, but maybe im just an idiot. Yeah, thats probly it. I had to take the gun apart to get it out.

[decimator4]

Well, I am new to the Mag, just got a minimag a week ago, but they seem fine to me. The barrel takes alot shorter time to take out. But one thing i was questioning, is that if you have a two peice barrel, will the back get stuck in the gun when you try and turn the twist lock out?

[Restola]

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420
in the heat of battle, i can take it out and squeege it so easily compared to a threaded barrel

I always thought that was the WORST part about the twist lock. If you bust a ball, take the barrel off and pull a squeeg through it, the little hole the balls drop into always gets paint gooing out of it.

I'd rather spend an extra two seconds twisting and have one solid pull suck the barrel clean than have to fiddle with stinking my thumb around trying to wipe the breech end of the barrel to get the goo off.

[ddinwdc]

R.I.P. Twistlock

I am happy to see AGD finally coming to its senses and adopting a more standardized thread. The twistlock had multiple problems: 1) when the barrel is removed, paint freely rolls out. Now I know a lot of you guys are going to say "just be careful etc., etc., etc.". Who has time to be careful in the snake with rounds whizing by your head? If I have to take extra time and care everytime I remove my barrel, it kind of defeats the whole "its so quick and easy to remove" argument, doesn't it? 2) The barrel often does not sit properly, meaning several seconds of playing "hunt for the grove and lock" game. This not only adds extra time, it often scraches up the barrel as well. 3) nubbins suck--no need to elaborate. 4) Cost & availablity.

Ok, so I provided three DESIGN reasons and one MARKETING reason. That should satisfy all but the most die hard "I'll defend poop on a stick if AGD makes it" crowd. I owned a classic for about two weeks and sold it because I hated the barrel system. Now that AGD is switching over to 'cocker threads, I have already bought a ULE body and plan on building my next mag. Next to Level 10, switching to 'cocker barrels is one of the smartest things AGD has done, and I predict it will win over many converts. Its nice to see that AGD is finally coming to terms with market and design realities--even if they had to be pushed kicking and screaming to do it.

[hitech]

Re: R.I.P. Twistlock

Originally posted by ddinwdc
Ok, so I provided three DESIGN reasons and one MARKETING reason. That should satisfy all but the most die hard "I'll defend poop on a stick if AGD makes it" crowd.

I don't like poop on a stick, but I do like the twist lock.

1) When the barrel is removed, paint freely rolls out.

Just turn the marker upside down first, or turn the power feed plug. Either are really easy and take very little time. Or, use a warp (like me) and do nothing extra.

2) The barrel often does not sit properly, meaning several seconds of playing "hunt for the grove and lock" game.

Never had that problem. Even at it's worst (for me) it's way faster than cocker threads.

3) Nubbins suck--no need to elaborate.

Plastic nubbins work great. I've NEVER had any problem with these. Wire nubbins on the other hand...

4) Cost & availability.

I don't see the issue with cost. It's not much different. Availability is becoming an issue. But then, I'm not interested in those expensive new barrels, so it's not an issue for me.

I'm still not convinced. I LOVE the twist lock. You should too...

[fire1811]

i have long loved twist lock barrels and still do
but i now have an xmag and i have to say i like that too

they both have advantages and disadvantages

[JEDI]

Re: R.I.P. Twistlock

Originally posted by ddinwdc
I am happy to see AGD finally coming to its senses and adopting a more standardized thread. The twistlock had multiple problems: 1) when the barrel is removed, paint freely rolls out. Now I know a lot of you guys are going to say "just be careful etc., etc., etc.". Who has time to be careful in the snake with rounds whizing by your head? If I have to take extra time and care everytime I remove my barrel, it kind of defeats the whole "its so quick and easy to remove" argument, doesn't it? 2) The barrel often does not sit properly, meaning several seconds of playing "hunt for the grove and lock" game. This not only adds extra time, it often scraches up the barrel as well. 3) nubbins suck--no need to elaborate. 4) Cost & availablity.

Ok, so I provided three DESIGN reasons and one MARKETING reason. That should satisfy all but the most die hard "I'll defend poop on a stick if AGD makes it" crowd. I owned a classic for about two weeks and sold it because I hated the barrel system. Now that AGD is switching over to 'cocker threads, I have already bought a ULE body and plan on building my next mag. Next to Level 10, switching to 'cocker barrels is one of the smartest things AGD has done, and I predict it will win over many converts. Its nice to see that AGD is finally coming to terms with market and design realities--even if they had to be pushed kicking and screaming to do it.

I have to agree with all you've said. I wont argue this debate any more. As you can see, I've already voiced my opinion. I just wanted to say that you make very good points. People have a lot of fixes, and replies, but things are often different as you've stated, when your crammed into some snake. Threads may not be quicker, but they're so easy, and Non-problematic. Darn, there I go arguing a point again. But any way, I'm glad you piped in with your "speed ball" minded opinion, because different game play definitely has an affect on what is preferred or not. Good job man.

[Panzerboy]

Murhy's Laws of Paintball: If it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid

Personally I am with those that perfer the twist lock.
I think it is what you are used to that you like.
I have jammed my twist lock before, yes the gun has to come apart unless you are lucky.
I have also been pinned in bunker with busted paint in cockers and mags. I much rather have those rounds whizzing around my head than hitting me in the head. The mag took less time to clean to a functional state.
Nubbins suck, and so do broken ball detents.
I was kind of disappointed that the new light bodies don't come with standard mag fittings.
As far as cost. The $1000 price tag for that E-mag didn't turn you off. Why should barrels or a barrel system.
I just picked up a Titanium Longbow system for my E-mag at the NPPL Las Vegas. They didn't have any stock problems.

[tye92]

GOTTA LUV THE TWIST LOCKS

No one can say they're not faster to remove and clean when u need to, 1/2 turn versus 5-8 complete turns?? I love and have always liked the twist lock barrel setup. The only reason alot of manufacturers don't make them is because of the lower demand factor the last while, with the pros using cockers and such these last few years instead of using AGD products. I really do like the twist lock and hope to see it not fade away. I personally have never had any probs. with it ever. I think with the Xmags, LEVEL 10 and such, AGD is gonna be back on top before long and to me the twist lock setup is part of AGD and they can up the demand for them through their products and i hope they do. Can't say that i'd complain about getting a X-mag with cocker threads though, besides me having to get new barrels, i think i could handle that, for a X-mag, those things are awesome.