Overshooting/Bonus balling...part of the game?

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

Originally posted by hitech
First let me define these terms.

Bonus balling - Purposely shooting someone when you know they are eliminated.
Overshooting - Continuing to shoot someone when you know they are eliminated.

Neither of these has ANY place in paintball. It should be (and usually is) a penalty in a tournament. It should be cause for "discipline" in rec ball games. There is absolutely NO reason for either of those.

Bonus balling and overshooting is entirely different. Getting bonus balls is getting a few extras which can be the result of overshooting, but can also come from being caught in a stream of paint

Overshooting is just like you said, shooting when you know they are eliminated.

Bonus balling is almost uncontrollable. If I send a string of 17 bps at you, and you decide to peek around the corner, I can't pull the 16 that are allready in the air away from you. And are you kidding about bonus balls and overshooting being penalties at tourneys? Have you ever watched a tourney??? If the tourney is on the line, i'll shoot you until you get to the deadbox, i have no problem with that, i pay for the tourney, i try to win. Rec games, bonus balls come from high rof. When the guy is running down the tape, trying to bunker me, he's getting a hopper coming right at him. Now, he gets shot once, can i pull the extra balls out of the air? Can you?

It seems most of the guys complaining about overshooting are the rec ballers with slower guns, or the whiners that cry about everything.

It does get to a point where it's excessive. I don't expect to get lit up walking to the deadbox, but as long as i'm behind a bunker, i am ready to take 200 if i have to. That's what seperates the hardcore tourney players and the local tourney players. Look at a pro game, ****, look at a rookie game. At the mardi gras open, i dont think there was one person in the whole tourney that got only one ball. If you call yourself out, i'm not gonna stop and wait for you to leave, i'm gonna keep on going, i won't lose sleep over you getting 15 balls. It may hurt, it may not be fun, but as long as people wipe, balls miss, balls bounce, people play on, and any other instance like that, bonus balls will exist.

[i-luv-my-rt]

OK I'm going to explain the definitions of both.

To me both overshooting and bonus-balling are all on purpose. It is very rarely that i get hit 6 times walking off the field running through streams and when the team is shooting almost 4 cases a game that shows the posibitly of doing it.

The only time i get hit alot walking off the field is the other team purposly shooting me off the field. In World Cup against OBR we had one of our front guys get gogged then running off the field take like 13 hits to the back....and those were just the ones that broke. I got hit in the hopper that game and got shot 5 times in the head...2 of those hit my right ear....and i was the only one on that side.

As for overshooting i guess in some cases it might not be on purpose but you still did overshoot the guy. You get that adrenaline rush and just rip on the trigger and all the sudden the guy got hit 5 times, it's on accident but you still did it.

I've been hit so many times i dont feel it anymore(except in the forehead those hurt) which is kind of bad because it's easy to play on. If you want a sport with less pain or something go play golf. I know getting shot that many times isnt part of the game but it happens, suck it up. Next time dont get bunkered and you wont be in this situation

[hitech]

Bonus balling is almost uncontrollable. If I send a string of 17 bps at you, and you decide to peek around the corner, I can't pull the 16 that are already in the air away from you.

First of all, you can't send a string of 17 bps at me. You can't shoot that fast (unless you have the roller trigger).

And are you kidding about bonus balls and overshooting being penalties at tourneys? Have you ever watched a tourney???

I haven't watched to many tournaments from the side lines. Mostly played. However, they were a long time ago, and both of those were most certainly penalties. It's quite possible that they are no longer. Tournament paintball rules have taken steps backward. However, here is a rule covering some of it from the NPPL:

10.26. Players that engage in unsportsmanlike conduct, including, but not limited to...excessive shooting at an eliminated player after being warned by a judge to cease such activity...

If the tourney is on the line, I'll shoot you until you get to the deadbox, I have no problem with that, I pay for the tourney, I try to win.

Then you are part of the problem.

Rec games, bonus balls come from high rof...Now, he gets shot once, can i pull the extra balls out of the air? Can you?

Refer to my definitions.

It seems most of the guys complaining about overshooting are the rec ballers with slower guns, or the whiners that cry about everything.

Sorry, but I doubt you that much faster than me. And I am complaining about it. Not because it happens to me, but because I see it happen to others.

It does get to a point where it's excessive. I don't expect to get lit up walking to the deadbox,

But you have no problem doing it to someone else: "I'll shoot you until you get to the deadbox, I have no problem with that"

but as long as I'm behind a bunker, I am ready to take 200 if I have to.

I know you don't mean 200 before you call yourself out, right

If you call yourself out, I'm not gonna stop and wait for you to leave, I'm gonna keep on going

Then you are part of the problem. Give the state of tournament paintball you will probably get away with it for sometime. BTW, I have done the same thing, but it was in response to players calling themselves out and then asking the ref for a paintcheck. I did not make a habit of it

[Wc Keep]

"I'll shoot you until you get to the deadbox, I have no problem with that"

this just isnt acceptable. theres no need to keep shooting at him. plus if the tourney is on the line and you get shot and you shoot someone else thats a penalty.

[Surreal]

hey syntax, you were playing at rex when that happened right? i heard about all those fights and stuff when i was there on monday night.. sounded interesting

my take on it, i think it depends on how the field is set up, and the situation of play. obviously, noone likes getting shot, ESPECIALLY if you're already out. i think the universal rule should be that any person with their gun raised, is out. this would eliminate the dead mans walk bs, and it would let alive players know not to shoot out players. rexplex's airball field is VERY small, and when you're out, if you are running to the deadbox, you can easily expect to take a couple of shots on the way there. you run accross so many firing lanes on that tiny field, you cant expect anything else.

the occaisional bonus ball is okay IF the player is cheating, walking off without his gun above his head, or trying to dead man walk to your end of the field.

overshooting is not okay at all. it happens, due to the fact that its an accident, but when it's intentional, there should be some type of punishment.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Surreal
The occasional bonus ball is okay IF the player is cheating, walking off without his gun above his head...

If the player is not properly signaling his elimination, it ain't a bonus ball!

[Crazy]

my philosophy... get off the field or get shot... armband or not.

[syk]

Yes some people are WAY too hot-headed. I pulled a run-thru and one of the guys I shot came after me yelling that if I ever shot him again he'd give me one in the eye. I didn't even overshoot him, some people...

[SyntaxError]

Originally posted by Surreal
hey syntax, you were playing at rex when that happened right? i heard about all those fights and stuff when i was there on monday night.. sounded interesting

Yeah I was playing that day, it was being talked about? Hehe, better watch my back when I go there tonight

Not really interesting, more immature hehe

[Peach]

I don't mind tanking 2-3 shots when I walk off... But even so, I make is very clear that I am out, I yell, HIT HIT, OUT OUT, or whatever I feel like at the time. Then I put my gun up in the air, then stand up slowly and walk off. I have stood up before after having my gun very visable.. and taken 2 in the mask.
The most blatant thing that has ever happened to me was when the game was over... A guy from my team starts drilling my in the back after a stood up from my spot from advancing on the field...
People so need to cool off. I went with a group of people, let off 5 shots BEFORE a person was out, and as he stopped shooting and raised his gun, while running, 3 hit him in the hand. He started with the F--k display, and even went as far to say he was going to, quote(from a ref): kick my ***. That is WAYY to far for me. Being 15, and him somewhere between 25-30, I was scared. But then again if he did hit me, I could sue and get rich. Way to far for 3 balls.... And he didn't wear gloves because they didn't let him shoot fast enough... Would you rather take 3 in the hand... Or shoot what? 2 bps slower... God get real. Now if I was 10-12 years old and that was my first time playing, I can seriously say, I would have never played again after being threatened like that, over a GAME.

[madmatt151]

et out of the way!

I don't know about the rest of you, but when I am hit Iam expecting people to keep playing and try to get the others on my team. I put my gunup and get the hell out of the way! I mean this is the game we chose to play. You know there are balls flying, move! If someone is intentionally shooting at me, different story. But I can only think of one time this happened to me. Other than that, I get out of the way fast and have no problems.

[TheJester]

yea, it depends on the situation, i was pinned down, so i ran...stupid move, but it was stupid to stay where i was. i got lite up like a *POOF* christmas tree i got hit like 6-8 times before i even realized i was hit...then i kinda walked to the fence and limped of the feild. paintballs don't hurt, but when you get 6 of them in a row, then they start to, hell i had 3 extra nipples for like a month. but i didn't 'complain about that at all

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