This Is For Mr. Kaye

[LawFox32]

Originally posted by srrdude
Seriously though guys.. your being far too rough on him. It doesnt matter how many people are on the list, if they say they will call, they better call. Thats like goin to a resturant, not gettin your food cuz its busy that night and go "Ah its ok, they said theyd bring me my food tonight but its busy so ill just keep it to myself." Give the guy a break [/B]

good point, bro


its true, MMRT has a reason to be upset but this is a bunch of foolishness, b/c last time I checked the majority of us live in America and I believe there is something in the consitution that protects his opinion

[Rancid1845]

Hey, Rt has a right to be pissed as heck. Infact i would be too!

Now tell me what you guys think good business ethics are. In my dictionary they are something along the lines of "the customer always comes first", "always be helpfull to the customer", "deliver the promised product" ...etc

i understand the Xmag is being held up..etc..etc..etc and that there are thousands of you people on lists as-well. but the FACT is AGD should NOT be telling people they will call them up in X amount of months if they do not plan on doing so.

From what i am reading in this post, and in others all of you guys waiting for X-mags either are a bunch of push-overs, or dont mind getting expensive products delayed and delayed. If AGD cant produce the x-mags fast enough they should NOT make promises they cannot keep. (be those promises a simple phone call or not)

i am a PROUD level 10 minimag RT owner, and i now thank god that i have a team tech who can do 99.9% of work on mags just incase. i do not want to send my gun in to this company after what i hear lately.

[�.C.]

I'm gonna go chill out, who wants to chill out with me?








MMRT - you are not immature, the people who are immature are people who start yelling and bashing harder than you. You stayed calm, everyone else seems to be yelling when you were the one who had a complaint in the first place. I'm not taking sides, just stating MMRT is not immature and we all need to chill out. And MMRT, we aren't always like this unless someone bashes AGD, the company everyone here is in love with.

[MicroMagRT]

I was really really hoping for a valid opinnion , maybe i should of seen the flames comming , but i guess not. I spent a ton of downtime off the forums.....Not too long ago i was injured quite badly in a car wreck....passenger's side was smashed to my gearshift....i almost died. Well anyways , in order to pay the bills for the custom Tiburon i drove , i had to get 2 jobs , one at whitecastle ( if anyone has worked there ,you know how sucky it is ) And another job..... I have had to work 60 hour weeks in order to pay my bills and i finally have them under control and are able to pursue the xmag becuase my jobs have locked me into the hours. I'm not some rich snob trying to flame everyone in order to cause problems. Nor am i here to do some april fools joke , but try to get some insight on the marker that i was told i was gonna get in a timely order.Unfortunately some of you guys thought otherwise and now someone is gonna get a xmag quicker than they expected.

[Daroach]

MMRT: honestly, if you want one THAT bad, keep checking the forums.....you could be like me, i only waited 2 weeks to get mine. I just got lucky and found someone selling his (he had 2 of them actually), now grant it, i had to pay a little bit more then most of the others due to wanting it now rather then waiting, but to me, its worth it

[JT2002]

Originally posted by Brak
go buy an IR3, see if Mr. Kaye comes to your house crying his eyes out with an xmag in his hand, begging you to buy it...

Tom can come over to my house and do than anytime! heck ill even include a free dinner for tom!

[Russ]

Initially, I felt MicroMagRT might've had a legitamite gripe, but with the comments about injuries from an accident, and the "woe is me attitude" about not getting his X-Mag, shunning all AGD products, ad nauseum, this whole thread has gone down the crapper.

MicroMagRT should delete this garbage, and wish he'd never posted it in the first place. I am amazed on some of the crap that gets posted on this otherwise fine forum.

I'm also a bit disgusted with many of the attacking replies that AO members have dealt out. Shame on you (you know who you are)

I hope a Mod can make this mess go away (hint, DELETE!)

[hostage]

Angry peeps-yall are way overly defesnive against this guy, it bothers me to see how yall flame many new comers etc, just since they don't know how to search as well as others. Esp when they dont know what the problem is, anyway...lay off, I understand what he is annoyed about. I like AGD, but I don't try to put others down to brown nose to them. You don't speak for the mods or AGD

AGD- I love your products and stand by them (owned close to 8 mags, at diffent times), but I would suggest not ever doing pre-orders like this. I can understand doing a few for marketing/beta reasons. Maybe implimenting a catalog of peeps and there expect arrival date, maybe with some possible delay info. I would like to know what is going on, for an invesetment like that. Also these peeps who scalp x-mags arh!

Dudes who order x-mags- pre-orders you should expect delays like this. Business is hell, when you try todo some stuff like this. In my exprence I messed up since I put to much faith in other business to do what I ask, when they messed up, i messed up making it look bad on my behalf.

Well hope thise easies some tentions
-Doron

[IcantBelieveit]

i havenet seen anyone cuss tom or any of his staff. His staff is of the highest quality. I think you are over-reacting. They have had problems with anno and milling. Its very hard to run a small compnay like this and put out and very nice product like they do.. Soo sit down stop whining about it and wait your turn in line. God know how many orders they have gotten for these things. If you wanna get an IR3 go ahead you tell us like we care.
soo i suggest you withdraw from this post..b/c i doubt you will get much sympathy from us.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Well..I'd just like to state that I am not Anti-MMRT. I am just Pro-AGD. If you don't like my stance. Tough. You're not getting your X-Mag any faster by whining. You want one, wait like the rest of us. You want an IR3, go buy it. No one here is going to cry when you give up your spot and someone here on AO gets to move up one slot. As far as you saying that you glad you're not getting an X-Mag because we're mean to you; Grow up and act like an adult. End of story.

And Falcon, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You've shown many times over your ability to be exactly what you're calling us so I would just think before you open your mouth.

[oldsoldier]

Hey, you guys arent reading his post. It was about the Customer Service, NOT THE WAIT!!!! This has been repeated several times by him! Lighten up! RT, in defense of AGD, they are busy with the Ultimate Madness this week. Try giving them till Thursday or Friday, or, see if yopu can talk to Jo Ann. It is doubtful she will remember you, but she might be able to help you out. Sorry about the bashing here.

[AGD]

MicroMagRT,

I see your new to the boards so maybe you would not have known what is common knowledge with everyone here that we are on a huge backorder for Xmags.

If your saying you called AGD and they told you 8 weeks for delivery I would have a hard time thinking that was the case. I think it was more likely that you called and they told you next YEAR which you interpreted to mean January.

Since we don't take deposit money I don't have my office staff call to tell everyone what's going on with the backorder. Everyone here has an idea of what batch they are in and I go out of my way to communicate with my customers here. Reading this forum means you are up to date with everything going on inside AGD.

I have been getting a continous stream of complaints on the lack of production on Xmags. Frankly you deciding to by an IR3 is a stress relief. I would suggest you sell your spot in line and recover some frustration dollars.

Before you get that IR3 you should know thay are coming out with the IR4. Word is that is has a reflective ACE like ours and is low pressure. I'm sure your bound to get an IR3 right off the shelf for a great price as last years model.

I'm sorry the gun didn't work out for you, good luck with your next purchase.

AGD

[adam shannon]

i pre-ordered in october. i was told march. i called in march and was told the list had been pushed back because of procurement problems with a shop that did coating but now backed out of a longstanding relationship throwing the whole process in a tissy with AGD having to find another shop to do the work.

when production is small this is the type of thing that happens. when you pre-order your told that its not guaranteed. if you want a new product thats just entering mass production thats what happens. nobody promised anybody anything in writing on a pre-order...its all tennative.

try ordering a custom factory harley davidson...your gonna wait a year or two for delivery.

as somebody who sells online for a living and runs the whole shop myself ive noticed that politeness and understanding has given way to the me me me now now now generation. if somebody orders online saturday they are already carping they dont have it yet by monday. grow up and realize that some things take time, and if that causes sand in your diaper then buy something else.

and yeah the phone lady may have been a little curt...the 15th time i called in one week asking when my marker was gonna be done she got terse with me too. the poor lady didnt sign up for this, she should get a raise to put up with this type of stuff.

[adam shannon]

...and furthermore while im on a rant what other company in the world can you talk to the guy that is personally hand assembling your product, get tech help from the guy that actually made your marker, get a reply from the engineer that designed the thing, or talk to the owner of the company who actually flies around the country on his own time and buck to meet the people who buy his products to see what they think. how many products that ADG makes are a direct result of first hand customer input? a ton. try asking bill gates to incorporate something in the next edition of windows just for you! or for that matter even seeing the guy in person let alone talking to him.

[Adrenaline0520]

Okay Tom, you got me ALL wrong here, and some others too, I dont want a jump in line or anything, that wasnt the purpose of my post, I still want to wait for the X-Mag, I love mags what can I say, it was a complaint about the customer service I recieved and I have a right to that, you above all should know that and not once did I get an apology, I am not new to the boards, nobody is reading my posts or anything, It's almost like your trying to push me out of buying the X-mag Tom, I dont understand it, I just wanted a phone call to know whats going on and im the customer and its my right, and no they didnt promise me delivery in 8 weeks, they promised me a PHONE CALL, thats it, I wanted a phone call that I was told I would get for configuration of the x-mag, I knew I would have to wait but I didnt even get one lousy phone call in 6 month because thats what I was TOLD TOM, and when you tell a customer something you should do it, Its my right and I WILL stress it. I had no idea about updated information was only online. I have a lot of respect for you, I used to say all the time how much of a genious you are to have made the automag the way it is, small, fast and reliable, and all of the upgrades have been remarkable, especially the level 10 bolt and how you managed to make a virtually chopless bolt using only mechanics and no electronics to achieve it, and the RT is very fast and uses pure mechanical operations is genious to me, that doesnt sound like someone who is bashing AGD, I am just shocked by the way I am being treated here, I really am. All the good things Iv'e said about AGD in the past and how good their service and reliabilty is and now Im being treated like dirt, If you don't believe me ask SchockerGD in these forums who invented Stickball and I play on their team, they can tell you how ive praised this company and now I'm nothing to it is what it seems, I know you know Stickball Tom. I would also appreciate it if someone is going to say something about my post, they read it first and not turn it into something else. Thank You