Schools dont tolerate Airsoft Guns

[langrage]

I think you understand that it was a dumb move so telling you that would just be redundent. I think you should follow the advise of other AOers and talk to school board. That will be your best way of getting back into that school district and shows others that you understand how serious of a mistake it was.

As far as getting a lawyer and such really would depend on what the rules state and how you handled the gun. As far as what shartley said about how it was percieved plays a factor. If you were doing nothing more than looking at it and pointing it in the air, than you were not using it to commit any crime. If you started to pointing it at people and fake shooting them than they could percive it as a weapon. At that point you are using it as weapon. You could use anything as a weapon, rakes, bottles pencil ect., but it is only a weapon if you attack someone with it.

[thecavemankevin]

it kinda sux that you got nailed for expulsion since you didn't own it nor was it in your car. You friends rightfully so should be out, but i think they went a bit far with you. Suspension would have been more apropriate.

But, at the same time, you should have known better.

If you are almost out of school anyways....get your GED then imediatly go to a Com college for your freshmen year and then you should be able to get into a regular University/college with not much difficulty.

But, if your a freshmen.....then you really!!!! need to get back into a regular high school.

Sorry to hear about this, it certainly wont make your life any easier. Good luck

[Vendetta]

I'm so happy I had a childhood where we could play with fake guns all we wanted. I feel so sorry for all of you that are growing up in in this Orwellian hell of today.

[dansim]

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[oldsoldier]

Well, in the Law's eyes, there is NO difference between the "perception of threat" and the actual threat. You cant second guess if what even APPEARS to be a gun is a gun, or a toy, or whatever. They did right. They made sure everyone was safe (minus the panic causing yelling of someone has a gun) by searching and finding it. It was a STUPID thing to do, taking that to work. expulsion is warranted IMO. Reason; kids will think twice now about doing that. Hopefully.

[langrage]

iwas just saying two guys looking at a gun in a truck is not posing a threat. If they point a gun than it is a threat. That is why they should look into the rules of the school. If it clearly states no weapon and toys looking like weapons than there is a problem with his case holding water. This rule was put into place since a lot of kids were bringing water guns that looked like real guns to school, in some areas.

[Rebel46_99]

Most, if not all, schools do not permit them ANYWHERE on School Property, including the parking lot. A "threat", perceived or otherwise, doesn't even figure into this equation. Zero-Tolerance, regardless of the circumstances, means exactly that for all parties involved.

This incident may make you the target of whispers in the hall but please do what ever it takes to get back in school. Good Luck.

DW

[Vendetta]

That is the problem with zero-tolerance. There should alway be room for exceptions. The world is not black and white, and I don't belive the laws should be either.

[trevy38]

firearm

An airsoft gun, along with a paintball marker, is indeed a firearm. The definition remains: any 'weapon' that expels a projectile, by an explosive, propulsive force, or air. It should be treated like a firearm because, in the law's eyes, it is.
This really comes back to why in the world would a company, while trying to produce a tool of entertainment, would have it be portrayed as an actual weapon. Airsoft or not, it makes paintball look bad. That goes for Tippmann A-5's, the Armotech series, and the like. Ridiculous.

[banzaimf]

IN a country where a 7 year old gets suspended for having the hand gesture of forefinger extended, middle through pinky curled, thumb up in the air then bringing it down and saying bang while playing on a playground, what makes you think an airsoft gun isn't going to cause hysteria.

[Ironmag]

All I gotta say is use your common sense and discretion. What would people do if I stapped toy grenades all over my body and had a trigger switch (from Radio Shack) in my hand. People would THINK that I was going to blow myself up. They don't know that I know that it's all fake. I'm pretty sure it would make people go crazy and have the Cops and SWAT on me faster than I can blink. That would be a REALLY stupid thing to do. If you use common sense, you can keep yourself out of trouble 99% of the time.

[Rebel46_99]

Originally posted by Vendetta
That is the problem with zero-tolerance. There should alway be room for exceptions. The world is not black and white, and I don't belive the laws should be either.

I agree to an extent.... BUT... It all boils down to... "What part of 'NO...' don't you understand?"

There was an "incident" at a local high school here in Missouri where an Eagle Scout was taking a project out of his trunk. This Scout had been on a campout over the weekend and the local rent-a-cop security at the school just happened to stop by to see if he could help. Well... long story short, the Scout still had a small hand-axe in his trunk. The RAC turned him in and the Scout recieved a 5-day suspension for having a "weapon" in his personal vehicle on school property. The Scout accepted his punishment because he knew "The Rules". Inadvertent, unintentional and circumstantial? Yes. But, according to school district policy, NOT open to discussion or appeal.

DW

[shartley]

Originally posted by Vendetta
I'm so happy I had a childhood where we could play with fake guns all we wanted. I feel so sorry for all of you that are growing up in in this Orwellian hell of today.

Originally posted by langrage
iwas just saying two guys looking at a gun in a truck is not posing a threat. If they point a gun than it is a threat. That is why they should look into the rules of the school. If it clearly states no weapon and toys looking like weapons than there is a problem with his case holding water. This rule was put into place since a lot of kids were bringing water guns that looked like real guns to school, in some areas.

Originally posted by Vendetta
That is the problem with zero-tolerance. There should alway be room for exceptions. The world is not black and white, and I don't belive the laws should be either.

Originally posted by banzaimf
IN a country where a 7 year old gets suspended for having the hand gesture of forefinger extended, middle through pinky curled, thumb up in the air then bringing it down and saying bang while playing on a playground, what makes you think an airsoft gun isn't going to cause hysteria.

[langrage]

Even LOOKING at a gun on school property IS a threat, sorry. Why would they bring a gun to school? What earthly reason would they have to bring a deadly weapon on school property? Show and tell? I think not.

Sorry should have put airsoft in front of the word gun. I thought that is what we were discussing and it was understood. I was simple stating that unless you threat a person with an object it is not threating. There is a big difference between having a hammer in your car and chasing a person with a hammer. This goes back to what the school declares as weapons and what the rules state about things that look like weapons. Like stated earlier, I don't think anyone will argue that it was a smart idea to bring it to school.

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by shartley

...And would you like to elaborate on the actual situation? Were they playing cowboys and Indians, or cops and robbers? Or was it a blatant gesture of violence aimed to intimidate or insinuate that they wished the other person dead? There IS a difference. And since we see young kids killing each other (yes even at THAT young age) we need to really examine what is happening.

Cops and Robbers IIRC

Originally posted by shartley

According to the article I read (this past fall) the child was suspended because he violated school policy on either firearms or making terrorist threats. I can't find the article to verify at this time.