Schools dont tolerate Airsoft Guns

[lamby]

I am aware of the zero-tolerence policies, and hate that our society had to come to it, but that is the policy, and the rules of the land MUST be inforced. If they are not anarchy will ensue.

Bringing an airsoft GUN to school in this day and age was stupid, plain and simple. I remember 15 years ago when I used to bring a 12 gauge shotgun and 2 boxes of shells to school. I left them in my car and did not pull it out to "show my friends" I had my shotgun there so I could shoot trap after school. The range was close to school and leagues started not long after I left school. I also used to bring a hunting rifle, and leave for deer hunting right from school.

Those days are over my friends. If you have a problem with the zero-tolerence laws, rember to vote Republican in the next election. The NRA has always generated a list of approved canidates that view firearms as a tool, not as a weapon. This goes for real, bb, airsoft, and paintball guns.

----End of rant----

P.S. Kiss as much butt as needed to get your behind back in school. Sounds like you and your friends need it.

[Rebel46_99]

Originally posted by dansim
banzaimf, face it youll never be right against him, save your eyes and stop reading

its a much quicker unsided read when hes on mute

Langrage, Dansim and Banzaimf...

First, I don't know your ages or your life experiences. But, like Sam, I probably have more than a few years experience on you. Having raised 2 sons who are now 24 & 19, I DO understand what you are trying to say. Hell, Sam and I both were teenagers once. LOL

BUT... Whether it's a "real" or "fake" weapon(gun, marker, water pistol or what have you), a "perceived" or "actual" threat (and it doesn't matter whose eyes you're looking through), "controlled environment" or not, simply does NOT come into play. If a school board has adopted a Zero-Tolerance policy where possesion of ANY of these items is NOT allowed on school property, it still comes down to .....

"What part of NO don't you understand???"

DW

[Jason Reed]

This incident is the main reason why Airsoft is being banned in some states and paintball is getting a bad wrap. I play both sports and love them both very much, but soon they will be gone if stupid people keep doing stupid things with these tools of are sport. Its very frustrating to see young kids or even adults act so immature and ignorant when it comes to Airsoft or paintball. These markers and toy guns are made and intended to use for one purpose, Paintball or Airsoft, and they need to continue to be used for those sole purposes.

JR

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by Rebel46_99

...BUT... Whether it's a "real" or "fake" weapon(gun, marker, water pistol or what have you), a "perceived" or "actual" threat (and it doesn't matter whose eyes you're looking through), "controlled environment" or not, simply does NOT come into play. If a school board has adopted a Zero-Tolerance policy where possesion of ANY of these items is NOT allowed on school property, it still comes down to .....

"What part of NO don't you understand???"

DW

I am sorry, I can't seem to find any point where I said that bringing anything that resembles a firearm onto school property was anything other than a stupid idea. I did say that I have issue with a statement made that guns are threatening, mostly because of context that made it seem as though they are always threatening. Now, if I missed something that I said earlier that indicates my approval for bringing anything resembling a firearm to school, please tell me. I would like to correct this oversight on my part ASAP.

Thanks

edit, I kepp forgetting to turn my sig off

[Rebel46_99]

Originally posted by banzaimf


I am sorry, I can't seem to find any point where I said that bringing anything that resembles a firearm onto school property was anything other than a stupid idea. I did say that I have issue with a statement made that guns are threatening, mostly because of context that made it seem as though they are always threatening. Now, if I missed something that I said earlier that indicates my approval for bringing anything resembling a firearm to school, please tell me. I would like to correct this oversight on my part ASAP.

Thanks

edit, I kepp forgetting to turn my sig off

Banzai...

As you can see, there were three names listed. There was something each of you had mentioned in my statement.

To those of us (you, me, Sam and Army to name a few) knowledgeable in their use, they are not threatening all of the time. Unfortunately, it is the uninformed individual(s) who don't care one way or another what you're doing with it. To them, whether through upbringing, personal tragedy or political indoctrination, a gun (no matter what form) is something to be feared.

My apologies if I didn't clarify that...

DW

[FooTemps]

I'll be blunt and rude...

Wow, you guys were morons. What do you think the school would do if you were handling a REAL LIFE GUN REPLICA!? Walk up to you and tell you to put it away? nope... They'd probably think it's a real gun and run away.

Replica = similar to real thing

If it's a replica of a glock it'll look like a glock... and what is a glock? A GUN! And why would someone freak out if they saw a gun? BECAUSE GUNS ARE USED TO KILL PEOPLE! I say that they school didn't do anything wrong. It was in the interest of safety that you guys got kicked out. Next time don't be toting around anything that looks like a gun at school.

[PaInTbAlLeR476]

Back when Columbine happned like 2 months afterwords in the paper i read about a 3rd grader getting into trouble( if i remeber correctly these just suspened him for like a week)for taking a chicken finger pointing it at his teacher and saying bang. That is dumb, but what you did was completly idiotic.

[trevy38]

whoa

Hey, FooTemps, I completely agree that it is dumb to bring a replica weapon to school, and I agree that it should be treated no different than actually bringing the very thing. However, I disagree with your statement that GUNS ARE USED TO KILL PEOPLE. Don't bring guns down with this. Just because someone made a dumb move doesn't mean that guns are bad--they are not necessarily used to kill people... that is the kind of statement that will put firearms away for everyone... and paintball/airsoft as well. Arms are a protective tool and havea right to be owned.

[demonguy8]

Well well well

Alright, I got sick of reading this thread about 3/4 of the way thru it...So Ill just make my comments and be off..

To the origional poster: In all likely-hood you WILL not be allowed back at your own school. That zero tolerance *poop* is VERY strict. Im suprised im the only one that remembers the little girl who got expelled for having a toy neon pink water gun.

Now there are some VERY important things to think about here legally..

WHERE were you seen handling the airsoft? If the handling the airsoft occured OFF of school grounds, the school has NOTHING they can legally do to you and you can SUE them for getting involved where things dont involve them...

2nd, Did you confess that you had been handling the airsoft on school grounds to either the police or the authorities? If so, that was really dumb your then SOL regardless of where the handling occured.

3rd Think about whoever saw you touching the thing... Assuming it was off school grounds, but that you where on the way to school: Where they able to see you/the car you where in the ENTIRE time between when they first saw you and when you arrived at school? Did you stop at any time? If so, theres no proof that the thing was brought onto school grounds and the search of the car is ILLEGAL. And as backup, (since many schools make you sign waiver saying that they can search your car if you are in their parking lot) If theres any witness doubt that the airsoft could have been brought to the school, The witness account becomes CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence! Now assuming you where smart enough to NOT cooperate, The only other thing theyd have on you is fingerprints lifted off the airsoft which are ALSO CIRCUMSTANTIAL! In other words they dont have *poop* to convict you on, and you can sue the school board..

So you might very well be in the clear... your friend is 99.9999999% ownd though (unless you go to the first school that doesnt have a "we can search your car if its on our lot" clause in their parking contracts). The best move you can make is have a meeting witht the board and bring a lawyer.. Im POSITIVE theyll have a lawyer present as well, but if not force a deal based on the above. If they do have a lawyer it would probably be easier and cheaper to negotiate with the board and settle for some concessions(like the do a presentation idea, go to gun awareness, or community service) in exchange for removing the thing from your record, and you not sueing them...
O yeah one more thing.. if you can get a deal going and have to pick, do the presentation and the comm service since both look good on a college app

I Should remind you that I am NOT a lawyer and that you should indeed check with a certified lawyer to further see what your options are.. These are just my ideas based on what little I know of the legal process.. Shartly might be able to confirm wether I have something going or not since he was the former cop... And on a retrospective note: if i do have something going here, I should sooo change my major from business to law...

-jason ISU Redbirds

[ezrunner]

ok

Wow, this is has heated potential:

Problems with Replica weapons:
If I am an officer and you point a weapon that looks real at me, and I have the opportunity, I will shoot you DEAD.

When an officer of the law percieves a threat to himself or a civilian he has a duty to negate that threat. He cannot afford to wait until an air soft pellet pops out instead of a 135grain 9mm slug at 1150fps.

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That being said, the school is trying to protect students, both you and the general populous.

In the late '80s when LaserTag was a huge thing, some kids were shot and one was killed at a school when they were playing because a police officer was shot at by laser tag.

Should he have realized it was a flash of bulb light and a synthetic speaker sound? YES

Was he right to defend himself in a perceived threat situation? YES

The officer made a split second decision to bring to bear deadly force. It was a bad decision but one that he was justified to make.

So don't have gun looking stuff in an inappropriate area. This includes airsoft, water guns, laser tag, paintball, etc.

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FooTemps: I do agree that there are guns that are made for the sole purpose of self defense and therefore meant for use on soft targets (ie people). However, people USE guns to KILL people.

I can see where trevy got upset, that is kindof an anti-gun comment. 2nd ammendmant rights we can do another thread on if people wanna get into it.

-rob

[DWill]

Speaking from experience, I come from an area that suspended half a dozen kids from Middle School for bringing water guns to school. I would be afraid to bring a picture of a gun to school, even a pointy stick that I might just happen to pick off the ground....much less an airsoft gun. This zero-tolerance issue certainly isn't the best way to handle increasing gun threats in schools, but also isn't the worst way. The officials of your school handled the issue like many other schools in the country would and are just keeping an eye out for the safety of their students. The zero-tolerance policy will only get worse as the years move forward and more guns are brought to school and more atrocities are commited to innocent children at schools. For now I suggest being smart and having common sense and not bringing anything that remotely resembles a weapon to school if you value your education and your future.

My 2 cents :)

[xrancid_milkx]

By having a replica of gun on school property, you got what deserved. I don't mean that in a mean or insulting way. You brought painc to people and unneccessary worry. When you look at what happened many other worser things could have happened due to this situation.

If an on campus officer just happened to see you in the parking lot looking or holding the replica, I can garutee you he would would have drawn his firearm on you in a heartbeat. And in confusion of what was going on, you may have turned towards him, replica in hand, unsure whats going on. And in the worst case senerio, the nervious policeman (And I can garutee he would feel nervious or worried in some degree, and possibly even in panic), realizing the person he believes is holding a loaded pistol, just turned towards him with pistol in hands, causually and you possibly forgeting your holding the replica in hand due to the confusion and wondering why someone is yelling at him, could have shot, and killed you.

Even though the ending result of what happens may seem unfair. What COULD have happened would be a whole lot worse. Theres reasons why there is a zero tolerance with these kind of situations. Many criminals and suspects have been shot and killed because the claim to have a firearms under in their pocket or under a towel or sheet when in reality its a broom handle or you banana. And because it appears to be a weapon, it will be treated as a weapon.

In a world like today, there can be no guessing. If they think they saw a firearm, even though it may not be, it will be treated as a firearm, and delt with as if it were a firearm. I strongly support such rules. Despite how unfair they may seem they're there to keep students safe, and they DO keep students safe.

Well, thats my opinion, feel free to disagree or accept it. Thats whats nice here on AO, we can have open arguements and disagreements and express our ideas in a sensable manor without fear of being critisized or judged, too much

[Lethargic]

Sorry, this is a little off the topic, but I have another wierd story about fake guns at school.

2 weeks ago, right before spring break, a kid at my High School brought a BB gun on campus and was planning to shoot up some classrooms with it. Luckily a deputy happened to be on campus, and tackled the idiot right outside of a classroom.

The best part is, our school didn't even tell us this happened. I found out just yesterday from the deputy, who is a friend of my dad's. I guess the kid just got "disappeared" cause the school won't even admit that the kid was ever attending our school.

Sounds kinda Big Brotherish to me.....

[mag_pbg]

I think this whole system is totally messed up. Just becuase a few phsycos(sp) brought weapons to school, to harm doesn't mean that everybody else will, now like if they brought a high powered rifle, and had it out showing it off, then ya that could cuase some prob. but a airsoft gun, or even a paintball gun please. I pretty much live in hicksville USA and everybody cares a knife, students teachers everybody, and nobody really cares about that, but then I get threatened with ISS (in school sespention) becuase our rent a cop saw it, and turned me in. Another instince is like when I go camping I bring my pelley rifle, just to mess around, most of the time when I get back Im to tired to unpack so I just leave everything in there. Oh and what really got everybody ticked well atleast the perents, was that the rent a cop went to take a crap and left his gun, a real gun, on the toilet for someone to find. I think everyone is to worried that another school shooting will happen, when to solve the prob. is to find the cure for the sick individuals. Look for common things, and signs that a student is in distress. just my .02 worth

[shartley]

Originally posted by mag_pbg
I think this whole system is totally messed up. Just becuase a few phsycos(sp) brought weapons to school, to harm doesn't mean that everybody else will, now like if they brought a high powered rifle, and had it out showing it off, then ya that could cuase some prob. but a airsoft gun, or even a paintball gun please.

Originally posted by mag_pbg
I pretty much live in hicksville USA and everybody cares a knife, students teachers everybody, and nobody really cares about that, but then I get threatened with ISS (in school sespention) becuase our rent a cop saw it, and turned me in.

GOOD! As well you should.

Originally posted by mag_pbg
Another instince is like when I go camping I bring my pelley rifle, just to mess around, most of the time when I get back Im to tired to unpack so I just leave everything in there.

As in you leave everything in unpacked? As in not taking it out in a school parking lot? What was your point?

Originally posted by mag_pbg
Oh and what really got everybody ticked well atleast the perents, was that the rent a cop went to take a crap and left his gun, a real gun, on the toilet for someone to find.

And THAT is a problem. If it was at a school my children attend, that person would be fired. But what does that have to do with the subject at hand? Nothing.

Originally posted by mag_pbg
I think everyone is to worried that another school shooting will happen, when to solve the prob. is to find the cure for the sick individuals. Look for common things, and signs that a student is in distress. just my .02 worth