Schools dont tolerate Airsoft Guns

[shartley]

Originally posted by langrage
Sorry should have put airsoft in front of the word gun. I thought that is what we were discussing and it was understood. I was simple stating that unless you threat a person with an object it is not threating. There is a big difference between having a hammer in your car and chasing a person with a hammer. This goes back to what the school declares as weapons and what the rules state about things that look like weapons. Like stated earlier, I don't think anyone will argue that it was a smart idea to bring it to school.

[langrage]

No, sorry. But I should NOT have put airsoft in front of the word gun. I said what I intended to say.

I was speaking of my post not yours. I should have included the word "I" or put a "," so calm down.

I have grown up near guns and a gun on a shelf is not a threat. I hate to bring out this quote but, guns don't kill people, people kill people. The gun on the shelf will not just shoot.

I do know the difference. If you read my original post I stated that it mattered what you did with the gun. If you pulled the gun out and started pointing it at people than it is threatening. If you chase some one with any object in your hand and say you are going to cause harm to them than that is threatening. If two people are looking at an object be it a gun, knife, pitch fork or what ever other word you want to hang on and argue about, and look at it than that is not threatening. Remember the good old days when every man had a pocket knife? Also you were in law enforcement, did you never show your gun to anyone? Did they feel threaten? It all goes back to what he did with the airsoft gun and the rules of that school district.

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by shartley

I am sorry, but I am in disgreement with you on this issue. I see this as an issue in locality. ie, growing up in southern Oregon, at 12 years old I would wander the streets with my .22 rifle to the local gun shop to get it worked on, in Seattle, I have my hunting rifle trigger locked sitting in a locked case, ammo is in another part of the house and clips are not in the rifle.

Case in point, some friends of mine, Likewise from rural Oregon, were driving to the gun range in stop and go Seattle traffic. One just picked up a pistol at the store and the passenger was putting grips on the pistol while they were stuck in traffic. They get surrounded by the WSP and SPD, stopped in the middle of I-5 and are eating pavement with a shotgun to the back of their heads. Questions such as "have you got any more guns on you" are answered with "there is a Ruger in my shoulder holster and my concealed carry permit is in my wallet in my back pocket. The police unload cases of ammo, 3 different rifles, 2 pistols, and 2 dozen targets. The WSP the calls back the woman who reported that they were threatening her with a gun and the statement goes from "they pointed the gun at my car" to "well, he had the gun out and I got scared." Add this to my earlier story about wandering to the gunshop with my 22 rifle when I was a kid (and having the police cruise by and look over at me) and I have to draw the conclusion that I have. The culture of the area I am in is the main factor.

[shartley]

Originally posted by langrage
I was speaking of my post not yours. I should have included the word "I" or put a "," so calm down.

I have grown up near guns and a gun on a shelf is not a threat. I hate to bring out this quote but, guns don't kill people, people kill people. The gun on the shelf will not just shoot.

I do know the difference. If you read my original post I stated that it mattered what you did with the gun. If you pulled the gun out and started pointing it at people than it is threatening. If you chase some one with any object in your hand and say you are going to cause harm to them than that is threatening. If two people are looking at an object be it a gun, knife, pitch fork or what ever other word you want to hang on and argue about, and look at it than that is not threatening. Remember the good old days when every man had a pocket knife? Also you were in law enforcement, did you never show your gun to anyone? Did they feel threaten? It all goes back to what he did with the airsoft gun and the rules of that school district.

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by shartley

Uhm, as part of the population, and one that gets called to jury service, I do have a say. By your peers means exactly that. They will decide. Hence what I think, if a majority of people in the area I am in think the same way, does matter. You are using a blanket statement here, please do not include me in this blanket.

Originally posted by shartley

Firstly, A hammer has not been mentioned by me till now, thanks for once again rolling me into a blanket statement for your argument. Secondly, I wholeheartedly agree, taking an airsoft gun to school is stupid. When cops shoot people for pellet guns, what makes you think an airsoft gun is going to go over in a school?

Originally posted by shartley
I love it when folks want to argue with me and do nothing but prove MY point for me.

Thanks!

No prob, claiming victory in arguments on the internet though seems to reaffirm the special olympics jpg that floats around.

[shartley]

Originally posted by banzaimf
Uhm, as part of the population, and one that gets called to jury service, I do have a say. By your peers means exactly that. They will decide. Hence what I think, if a majority of people in the area I am in think the same way, does matter. You are using a blanket statement here, please do not include me in this blanket.

Firstly, A hammer has not been mentioned by me till now, thanks again for rolling me into a blanket statement for your argument. Secondly, I wholeheartedly agree, taking an airsoft gun to school is stupid. When cops shoot people for pellet guns, what makes you think an airsoft gun is going to go over in a school?

No prob, claiming victory in arguments on the internet though seems to reaffirm the special olympics jpg that floats around.

[covadsucks]

Originally posted by shartley

I'm sorry Shartley, but can you prove this fact that you typed? I am not attacking you, nor am I attempting to flame, but I have to disagree with the above statement.


Edit: I do however agree with you that even bringing a "toy gun" to school was a very stupid thing to do.

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by shartley

I'm sorry, I didn't pay enough attention to notice we were talking about feelings. School policies and various laws are moot in this argument, my bad.

Originally posted by shartley

And my point was that in a society where people get shot for having toys/pellet guns e.g. SPD shot a man who was holding a hostage with a pellet gun, University Ave, right after a Huskies game, bringing any sort of firearm resembling device to school is dumb.

Originally posted by shartley

No confusion, just a tired of people using blanket statements to point out how right they are. As far as being relaxed, I am.

The only thing I have truely disagreed with you on is this one statement "and how even the THOUGHT of someone having a gun (even if unseen) can be threatening" that you have thrown out for general consumption. I will reduce my opposition to this down to "not everywhere" and hopefully you can see the simple point I am trying to make.

[langrage]

Even LOOKING at a gun on school property IS a threat, sorry. Why would they bring a gun to school? What earthly reason would they have to bring a deadly weapon on school property? Show and tell? I think not.

That was your orginal quote. PLease help me in your logic since I was refering to an airsoft gun (you stated you knew what i was talking about)and your line states "What earthly reason would they have to bring a deadly weapon on school property?". How many people have died from airsoft guns? Is it so high that it should be considered deadly? (I looked up deadly for you it means fatal. :)

This goes back to what he was doing with the gun. If two people are siting in a controlled enviorment and are looking at something than it is not threatening. If you walk by and assume something than you are making judgements under false pretenses. Also I would believe that between the people in the armed forces, NRA, hunters, law enforcment and other rational people that see a gun are not scared or threatened. They may wonder what the heck was going on but they are not scared.

Basically if you read all the words in my post you will see from the first one I posted it mattered in the nature that the gun was handled. If this was a case of guy showing his friend his airsoft gun and someone over hearing the word "gun" and a name. Then went and told people he had a gun and the school officials confiscated an air gun that was in a truck, then there seems like he could talk to the board and maybe get let back into school. If he was pointing it people and being threatening than he would have no real leg to stand on. Unforunatly we have some people on the board that think it is more important to try and "win arguments" instead of reading peoples posts completly. Harping on mute points and not really giving any advise at all. I guess I will tell that person he is a good boy and give him some smiley faces so he can randomly put them in this post or his since he loves to use them so much.
:) :)

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by langrage
....Harping on mute points...

This is completely a moot point, but it's moot point, not mute point.

[shartley]

[dansim]

banzaimf, face it youll never be right against him, save your eyes and stop reading

its a much quicker unsided read when hes on mute

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by dansim
banzaimf, face it youll never be right against him, save your eyes and stop reading

its a much quicker unsided read when hes on mute

Unfortunately I try to make the horse drink water far too often.

[hitech]

Guys, he does have a point. If I were in a high school parking lot and saw two people standing at the open trunk of a car holding a glock (remember, that is EXACTLY what it appears to be) I would have reported it. If those I reported it to did not take it deadly seriously I would have been VERY upset (I have kids). I would have expected them to do much the same as they did. What would you expect them to do? Ask those involved if it was a real gun. Their answer might be the last thing they ever hear. They HAD to treat this as a VERY REAL THREAT. I do not know the law, but if Shartley is right, then they would be guilty of brandishing a firearm, even though it wasn't real.

I don't think they deserve to be expelled, but I fully understand them taking it as seriously as they did. As a parent I demand it.

[FalconGuy016]

Uh, if I had a water gun in school id get expelled