X-VALVE SPEED TEST = AVERAGE 32.7 CPS! (pic and sound)

[Evil Bob]

CPS = Chops Per Second? As we all know there is no feed system capable of keeping up at this rate. Even real world multi barrel systems can't keep up with this rate of fire.

Sorry Jack, if you want to impress me, shoot paint through it.

-Evil Bob

[GSKRAP]

but... if you had a level 10 and a halo, wouldnt it bounce off when a ball isnt all the way fed and still shoot the max rate of the halo? (20-22 BPS or whatever?)

[Skoad]

ok Jack send me the movie!

[j.t.]

I think I figured out how to do this too. It was on accident of course. It works with classic valves also (i dont know if its the same way but its yeilding the same results). . I was too afraid i would end up wearing the bolt and sear down fast so i decided to never do it again.

Maybe I'll do it just one more time and get some sound files up later.

Edit- I forgot to add that i tried it with paint and a Halo A the other day at the field and it didnt work so well. I figured the classic valves max was around 16 so i figured the Halo could keep up. I was very wrong. My level 10 didnt kick in like it normally does either. The bolt wouldnt reset correctly at that high of a speed.

[314159]

Originally posted by Evil Bob
CPS = Chops Per Second? As we all know there is no feed system capable of keeping up at this rate. Even real world multi barrel systems can't keep up with this rate of fire.

Sorry Jack, if you want to impress me, shoot paint through it.

-Evil Bob

it is people like you, that make people stop posting the things that they are tweaking.

[e mag]

Originally posted by Evil Bob
Even real world multi barrel systems can't keep up with this rate of fire.

Sorry Jack, if you want to impress me, shoot paint through it.

-Evil Bob

by that do you mean real guns? i remember hearing that the avenger cannon (that's on A-10's) can shoot over 4000 rounds per min which is 66.6 per sec. even the mg42 which is about 60 years old could achieve around 30 shots per sec.

and as he said in bold, if you read it, was that this would best be for DEMONSTRATION.

[wyn1370]

Once you explain how you achieved this, it will probably be clearer. But my question is are they full cycles?

[AcemanPB]

Why did Butters need a SUBA tank to keep up with an E-mag (same valve) at 30cps? I'm guessing the Max-flow is just an incredibly fast tank? (I always thought it wasn't as fast as some of the single regged tanks)


Nice work, but I can see alot of people trying this mod and really hurting someone, or messing up their equipment.

[Daroy99]

Daroach took out his set screw for the sear and it went on runaway full auto....but his egg and someone elses halo could not keep up. It would fire two shots then the level ten would stop it(with paint) but it fired fine without paint.

[la690]

acemanpb, max flows are single regs.

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

The reason I enquired about the 8 cycles in .229 seconds is in regards to the valve recharge rate, if I could pull 8 cycles in say an angel in .229 seconds but I had exhausted the volume of air after those 8 cycles and the regulator could not keep up, could I still claim 32 cps? I think not, or at best I would be claiming there is the possibility of 32 cycles per second.

Az

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by Evil Bob
CPS = Chops Per Second? As we all know there is no feed system capable of keeping up at this rate. Even real world multi barrel systems can't keep up with this rate of fire.

Sorry Jack, if you want to impress me, shoot paint through it.

-Evil Bob

Sorry Evil Bob, will this do?

My friend found out how to get his mag to do this by accident. His gun malfunctioned as a result so he doesn't want people here getting hurt trying to do what he did. I promised him I won't say anything regarding "how" to do it.

He said current loading systems are too slow to feed the a mag setup like this.

The interesting thing is, his Level 10 truely worked and he had NO CHOPS! The bolt however, would not properly reset after a few shots. He doesn't know why. I told him, I'll give it a try later today to see if I can get it to shoot paint.

The mag is just TOO fast...

[Trunnion]

e mag, the MG42 maxes out at 20-25 shots per second. the GE minigun however does 6000 rounds per minute. multibarrel systems can easily outshoot that rate. single barrel systems have much more difficulty matching it, but it is entirely conceivable that this is merely a side effect of the doctrine used to employ machine guns. would you want to carry enough ammunition to feed your light machine gun that shoots 2000-3000 rounds per minute? i wouldn't even want to carry around enough to feed an MG3(the modern version of the MG42, with a modified muzzle booster that allows it to shoot 1500 rpm instead of 1200). the only other single barreled guns that shoot close to that rate that's in service or has seen service are the SIG MG710 series weapons, which are variable 750-1400, and the US M2 .30 caliber MG which fired 1200 rpm(it was basically an M1919 modified for use in aircraft). plus, machine guns have somewhat more dangerous operations going on inside than a paintball gun. firing a bullet is basically a controlled explosion in a sealed chamber. the chamber has to remain sealed until the pressure drops low enough for the weapon to extract the shell casing without tearing it apart. that requires a delay in the process. multiple barrel systems don't have this problem as the bullet stays in the chamber as the barrel rotates, and is realeased after the delay. in the minigun, each barrel does only 1000 rpm, which is similar to most GPMGs in ground roles. a paintball gun doesn't have any case extraction or extremely high pressure issues, and thus these problems are easily avoided.

[Evil Bob]

Jack: Sorry to disappoint you and your petting insults, but this is a very PBNesque posting. "Gee, I can blow air through my marker for .239th's of a second!" We will all be more impressed when you can sustain that rate of fire longer then a fraction of a second and do it without damaging your marker. We will be even more impressed when you can put paint through it.

Trunnion: Real weapons also need to deal with the byproduct of heat from the gas expansion which cuts heavily into the overall performance. There is a direct trade off of sustainable rate of fire vs heat buildup. The weapon gets too hot, and it will become uncontrolable, cooking off rounds on it's own without input from the operator, there is also the potential of damaging the weapon and it's components to the point that it is no longer safe to operate or it explodes in the hands of the operator.

Your point about the ammount of ammo required to maintain that rate of fire is quite valid and a big part of the overall equation as well.

Fortunately, there isn't alot of heat buildup with compessed air yet, I'm more worried about friction stressing parts then anything else.

-Evil Bob

[Trunnion]

your point about heat buildup is valid, but that's where quick change barrels come into the equation. that allows the rate of fire to be sustained. plus, machine gunners don't fire in single long bursts, but rather in bursts of only about 5 or 6 rounds, and almost never in bursts longer than 15 or 20 tops. this keeps the chamber and barrel reasonably cool. the multibarrel systems have the added advantage of air moving over the barrels(as the barrels spin and expose them to more air), and gives the chamber pressure time to drop as the barrel moves from the firing position through the cycle once more. since multibarrel systems are designed for a static emplacement(almost exclusively in aircraft), the reasonably large and bulky system, and the tremendous amount of ammunition they need, can be employed. and once again, an aircraft(whether it be a helicopter or whatever) generates additional air movement which keeps the barrels that much cooler.