98's shoot faster than a mag?

[PzYcO]

consistency
LEGAL upgrade path
capable of high rof

etc..

[GT]

Originally posted by impostal22
not to get flamed, but i wonder why everyone has a mag if they can shoot just as fast or even faster with a $100 m98. not that i don't have a mag, or think i should get a m98...i'm just wondering what's the point in sinking $xxx dollars in upgrading your mag when you can shoot faster stock on a m98. the biggest thing the mag has going for it, i think, would be the LX, and that isn't stock. again, i love my mag. just wanted to know everyone's opinion.

Because a mag is internally regulated, via AIR. the CVX on a 98 is a joke. 2nd even the RT 98's are dam reactive, I wonder how long that is going to be legal? Sure it can be adjusted but they are dam near full auto out of the box.

PzYcO,
Like I said I want to see it to believe it. Even the rock hard stock single trigger I can get moving pretty fast, the stock 98 is kinda benchmarkish. Saying one is faster w/o quantifing data is pretty ballsy.

jb

[GhillieGuy]

Well, iv'e shoten a 98 before bu iv'e never owned one. But i know i can say this, when you buy a 98 stock there isn't much you can do with it. How many stock mags have you seen on ao? I havent seen any. But you commonly see stock 98's, so thats why alot of people prefer mags...

[PzYcO]

Originally posted by gtrsi
[B]2nd even the RT 98's are dam reactive, I wonder how long that is going to be legal?

PzYcO,
Like I said I want to see it to believe it. Even the rock hard stock single trigger I can get moving pretty fast, the stock 98 is kinda benchmarkish. Saying one is faster w/o quantifing data is pretty ballsy.B]

I have no physical proof. Take a stock 98 and a [b]STOCK[b] 68 automag, try it for your self, you shall see.


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Tippman98 RT IS ILLEGAL

[impostal22]

dumb question by why is the tippmann RT illegal and the automag RT gun not?

[GhillieGuy]

I think becouse the tippmann rt is installed in the trigger, and the mag rt is a valve..

[GT]

Originally posted by PzYcO
[B]

I have no physical proof. Take a stock 98 and a [b]STOCK 68 automag, try it for your self, you shall see.


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Tippman98 RT IS ILLEGAL

I have both, sorry but just saying that one is better than the other w/o proof is silly


I havnt read anywhere where it is illegal, just turn down the reactiviness.

jb

[MinimagRockin']

Originally posted by impostal22
dumb question by why is the tippmann RT illegal and the automag RT gun not?

RTs (tippman or mag) can both be illegal if you use them wrong. If it goes full auto or "runs away" on you that is illegal. If you have them adjusted properly so that one pull shoots one ball then they are legal.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

All RT Model 98's are tourney illegal because the reactiveness is adjustable, where on a mag, the only way to adjust it would be to crank the pressure or modify the valve somehow. Runaway mode on RT's are illegal, and you can easliy set a Model 98 to do that.

[Brian68mag]

Originally posted by GhillieGuy
Like shartly said, tipmans are excelent rental guns becouse they are unbreakeable(so is a mag but it still has more maintenance)

Uhh? More matenance, hardly, oil both guns,thats it.

The reason alot fields use 98's is the following.
Cheaper- 100 or under(if u buy in bulk) new, they come with everything you need. Mags are around 250-300 -new- to get a setup thats complete.
They run fine on co2 out of the box, and wont freeze with liquid.
No short stroking,alot of newbies would SS mags left and right.

Newbies like them(98) because they like the looks.
They like the sights.
They like the expandibility for low money.
Everyone says tippmanns are good for newbies, alot say mags suck no matter what.

Its not a bad thing, putting mags back in the main rental scene could turn some newbies away from them.
My first gun was a 98, most of my freinds first gun was too, i loved it when i had it, now i look back and chuckle.

[GT]

Originally posted by RT pRo AuToMaG
All RT Model 98's are tourney illegal because the reactiveness is adjustable, where on a mag, the only way to adjust it would be to crank the pressure or modify the valve somehow. Runaway mode on RT's are illegal, and you can easliy set a Model 98 to do that.

Wrong,
from my understanding of the RT98, is that there is a nut that can be locked down similar to a reg on RT, Ie aint going to change anything on the field w/o tools.

jb

[Angry Man]

The fact is that the trigger pull on a stock mag is no better than the trigger pull on a stock 98 custom....both are around 3-4 pounds (more on some mags I've used) and both single finger. Some people can shoot the tippmann faster, some can shoot a mag faster...the pulls are similar in weight, but feel a little different. Rate of fire isn't everything, though (a 100 dollar e-spyder owns any mag up until an emag, and any cocker besides and e-blade), and I'd take almost any hinged cocker over almost any e-spyder (except my TIMMY!!!!!!)....so it's not big deal if a tippmann is faster (which I believe it is), since people shoot mags because they prefer them to blowbacks, not because they're lightning fast (no mechanical gun that's not reactive is).

[StuDawggie]

I own both, A mag, and a C98. I bought both of them stock and played with both of them stock for the longest of times. What it comes down too is what you like the best. A lot of times, I'm un stoppable with my mag. Otherdays I couldn't hit an elephant from 2 feet away. Other days it's the same with my Tippy. Both are good guns, but when it comes to rof, they're about the same. It really depends on how fast YOU, the player can shoot.

Just thought I'd give my $.02

[Automaggot68]

In totally resent the comment made by Ghillieguy, that one cannot do anything with a stock Model 98. This is not true at all. While there are not as many aftermarket parts for that particular marker, when compared to the market for other markers, you can still do a heck of alot of things to it. I own both a Model 98, and a Mag, and I heartily love both. In my experience with both markers, when I first bought my Mag, I had to break in the trigger, before it lightened up, and maybe others have,but I cannot speak for them, where as with my Model 98, it was significantly lighter than the mag, although not after the Mag's trigger was broken in, or when I upgraded to an Intelliframe. Just like someone said before (cannot remember name, I'll credit you after looking back at previous posts) It doesn't depend on you as a shooter, and whether or not you can keep up with the marker, but if the marker can keep up with you. The CVX valve,and the AIR valve are both very different,and they have alot to dow ith why one marker is a blow foreward,and one is a blow back. I can't believe that this turned form a post highlighting the follishness of PBnation, to comparing twop markers that have revolutionized Paintball as a whole.

[AzNGuNSmokE]

Originally posted by gtrsi


Wrong,
from my understanding of the RT98, is that there is a nut that can be locked down similar to a reg on RT, Ie aint going to change anything on the field w/o tools.

jb

Sorry but the newer Tippmann RT's do not have a lockdown nut. They have a little screw with a small slot, that you can turn with your finger nail or a small screwdriver...