98's shoot faster than a mag?

[Meph]

Remember Spyxtra, flaming noobs have no need to comment. Ever! So quit calling people morons and touting biased garbage like a drugged up monkey. It's not welcomed.

[Z-man]

I'll race any of ya Tippmann guys with either of my mechanical RT's. I'll be at SCP (California) this Saturday.

But that's all in fun. There has always been this anit-Tippmann sentament by people hasn't there? I mean no one wants to give an inch to the company that has refused (even more than AGD) to follow the trend that most companies have taken (flashy milling, bright anodizing and such).

Isn't is also a bit that Tippmann guys (WARNING! GENERALIZATION ABOUT TO BE USED) are more the woodland ball guys? The kind of guys who like senario games, search and destroy games, police force training type games as opposed to the Speedball/hyperball/airball gmes?

Aren't Tippmann people generaly the kind that like to simulate more of the "hunt" aspect of paintball or the "sniper" military kind of play (this is not ment to be derogatary, but what I observe). The kind that go the full camo rout and the camo gun and the guillie suit at times?

Most Tippmann people falling to a greater or lesser degree leaning tward that aspact of paintball. They are not interested in the "shiney" flashy aspect of the sport and it's more of a hunting and sneaking about thing for them (my roommate in college fit this perfectly).

I mean look at them. The guns much more closely resemble real guns than most other markers.

After 7 years of paintball and watching tippmann guys I am drawn to think that "Tippmann guys" repersents this other aspect of paintball. Anyone else notice these sort of things? Any Tippmann guys aggree? I suspect that this is kinda why Tippmann's recieve some of the flack they do. They are different from the guys who buy spyders and Mags and electros.

[dinger]

yea i agree with you meph. and dont ever call me a flaming noob again :)

Spyxtra-

have you ever even shot a stock mag??
try that and then a m98. find a relationship/difference and see which is faster

[BajaBoy]

Z-man, you couldnt have said it any better. Im not a tippmenn guy at all.. i would just never own one, but! they can take one heck of a beeting and still work

[dinger]

Originally posted by Z-man
Isn't is also a bit that Tippmann guys (WARNING! GENERALIZATION ABOUT TO BE USED) are more the woodland ball guys? The kind of guys who like senario games, search and destroy games, police force training type games as opposed to the Speedball/hyperball/airball gmes?

Aren't Tippmann people generaly the kind that like to simulate more of the "hunt" aspect of paintball or the "sniper" military kind of play (this is not ment to be derogatary, but what I observe). The kind that go the full camo rout and the camo gun and the guillie suit at times?

wowzers!! i find that 100% true. the ppl i know that have them hate speedball and are VERY VERY sneaky in woodsball.


those sneaky bass turds

[minnimag]

this is getting stupid. Tippmans are a quality gun. If they can outshoot a mag... um i dunno. Ive shot a stock mag and a stock m98 back to back when i was with my friends and i could def shoot my mag faster but when my friend shot his m98 he definetly shot it faster then i did. Faster tehn i could shoot ... i dunno. Anyways! this flamming is getting stupid if you want a gun vs gun thread go to pbnation!

Edit:

by the way

Originally posted by spyxtra



cause everybody nos tippmanns suck

this constitutes as a flamming n00b if you need an example

[p8ntballsnowman]

Originally posted by Z-man
I'll race any of ya Tippmann guys with either of my mechanical RT's. I'll be at SCP (California) this Saturday.

But that's all in fun. There has always been this anit-Tippmann sentament by people hasn't there? I mean no one wants to give an inch to the company that has refused (even more than AGD) to follow the trend that most companies have taken (flashy milling, bright anodizing and such).

Isn't is also a bit that Tippmann guys (WARNING! GENERALIZATION ABOUT TO BE USED) are more the woodland ball guys? The kind of guys who like senario games, search and destroy games, police force training type games as opposed to the Speedball/hyperball/airball gmes?

Aren't Tippmann people generaly the kind that like to simulate more of the "hunt" aspect of paintball or the "sniper" military kind of play (this is not ment to be derogatary, but what I observe). The kind that go the full camo rout and the camo gun and the guillie suit at times?

Most Tippmann people falling to a greater or lesser degree leaning tward that aspact of paintball. They are not interested in the "shiney" flashy aspect of the sport and it's more of a hunting and sneaking about thing for them (my roommate in college fit this perfectly).

I mean look at them. The guns much more closely resemble real guns than most other markers.

After 7 years of paintball and watching tippmann guys I am drawn to think that "Tippmann guys" repersents this other aspect of paintball. Anyone else notice these sort of things? Any Tippmann guys aggree? I suspect that this is kinda why Tippmann's recieve some of the flack they do. They are different from the guys who buy spyders and Mags and electros.

I bet my e bolt could take ur RT mag if someone fast used it, im just not that fast with any gun. Very true most tippmann people being snipers. Everyone thinks im some noob cause i haev a tippman. They are still great guns, just a lil long.

[Meph]

Sorry snowman. But the e-bolt is capped. RT isn't! If you modify the on/off and tweek it a bit, you can get an RT going faster than an E-bolt board will allow it to cycle.

[Ejp414]

Over the past year or so I have lurked in these forums reading info and interesting threads, but rarely posting. The reason I have continued to read the new topics here every morning is simple, the posts are usually intelligent and as unbiased as you can get for an owner's group forum.

This, though, is pathetic. It's actually kind of ironic to see how you point out a thread to make fun of a forum's stupidity and this is what comes out. This is starting to sound exactly like pbnation or a similar kind of place.

Tippmann Model 98 (custom, we'll just assume, since that is what is being sold nowadays) vs. a stock non-RT mag with no upgrades... As far as RoF goes, it's really not a plain fact as to which shoots faster. If you mean the marker's capable cps, then mag wins without a doubt. But since you mean the RoF that a user is able to achieve, it's really dependent on one thing-- the user. I personally had a hard time moving from a Model 98 trigger to a 'mag trigger. At first it seemed stiff and just plain different. Once I got used to it, I found the shorter but maybe a slightly heavier trigger (trigger spring mods are VERY easy on m98's, any user who would be new enough to the sport to not know this would also shortstroke a mag for sure, giving him some probs) was easier to rip on AFTER SOME TIME. It's completely user preference, just like Cocker vs. Mag trigger.

As far as maitenance goes, they are equal in my book. My Tippmann seemed to hold up better than my minimag, but the minimag was easier to care for and disassemble.

For valve systems... give me a break. Of course a regulated precision system like the Classic valve is going to be more consistent than a spring loaded blowback using unreg'd gas sources.

Just like the trigger, it's all preference. Making fun of someone's gun because it costs less is completely uncalled for. You know how it feels being a 'mag owner because 'mags take some heat sometimes, so don't sink to the level of others. Both are great markers for one reason: they perform well for who they are designed for and are backed up by great companies and quality componants.

[superdesk2007]

I can shoot my stock Tippman faster than I can shoot a stock mag, my brother can shoot a stock mag faster than a stock Tippmann. I think you have to be used to the gun your shooting.

[p8ntballsnowman]

Originally posted by Meph
Sorry snowman. But the e-bolt is capped. RT isn't! If you modify the on/off and tweek it a bit, you can get an RT going faster than an E-bolt board will allow it to cycle.

Well u can also tweek a Tippmann by adding a warlord board which i think uncapps it.

[Meph]

Well, then with the e-bolt what you're going to NEED to do is one of 2 things.

1) Lighten the hammer and stiffen up the return spring so you can keep using the 2-way noid.
2) Start using a 4-way noid for forward and return motion.

Otherwise it won't be able to cycle over 13bps. Currently it barely gets 13. The E-bolt isn't perfect, it has some tweeks that can/should be done to it. But since all I do is PR work and not actual designing or marketing. I can't change it myself.

[Paintballer1833]

When i had my old classic it did shoot slower than my friends tipp but the mag definantly shot better. MOre consistent, less kick, and just nice. Sure a electro spyder can shoot 13 bps but id take mechanical higher end over it anyday.

[zeroack]

on the tippman side...

Now don't get me wrong I've never shot a mag. I've been playing paintball for two years now. I should say I started playing again only two years ago. I played from 90-94 while I was in college. I shot all sorts of pumps, vm-68's, pgp's, etc. When I got back into paintball I started back with a m98c. I wanted something tough that I could hand down to my kids when they started playing. I soon upgraded to a M3 Dragun(electro spyder clone). It was nice but I still wanted something more. So I sold it. I bought a cocker, used it and just sold it. I hated the feel. Now I'm back again to my trusty m98c. It's a good marker, nice balance, I know just how it's going to shoot and where. It works great on CO2 or hpa. Where I reside it's hard to get hpa fills so we have to us CO2 mostly.

Now don't loose hope for the mag. A buddy of mine who posts here is sending me his to try out. See if I want one. I have a $400-500 budget for my next paintball gun purchace. Depending on how I like the mag I will be either buying a nice mag or an A-5, flatline and E-trigger. I play a lot of scenarios and a-5's and flatlines are king there. If there's any doubters about the flatlines abilities get on the reciveing side of one sometime. It's very frustrating.

Wish me well with the mag....

Zero

[Z-man]

Originally posted by Ejp414
Tippmann Model 98 (custom, we'll just assume, since that is what is being sold nowadays) vs. a stock non-RT mag with no upgrades... As far as RoF goes, it's really not a plain fact as to which shoots faster. If you mean the marker's capable cps, then mag wins without a doubt. But since you mean the RoF that a user is able to achieve, it's really dependent on one thing-- the user. I personally had a hard time moving from a Model 98 trigger to a 'mag trigger......

This is what I started thinking about once I had posted. I would have added it in but my DSL went down RRRRR

Both guns are capable of great speed but how fast can YOU shoot it. I can rip on my RT, wanna race?