98's shoot faster than a mag?

[p8ntballsnowman]

Originally posted by Meph
Well, then with the e-bolt what you're going to NEED to do is one of 2 things.

1) Lighten the hammer and stiffen up the return spring so you can keep using the 2-way noid.
2) Start using a 4-way noid for forward and return motion.

Otherwise it won't be able to cycle over 13bps. Currently it barely gets 13. The E-bolt isn't perfect, it has some tweeks that can/should be done to it. But since all I do is PR work and not actual designing or marketing. I can't change it myself.

I see. Dont know that much about the ebolt. Is the A-5 E grip any different? Or is it basically the same thing.

[Meph]

Mucho different. E-bolt is a pneumatic-hammer design. E-grip is a sear-tripping design.

[Marek]

Originally posted by Ejp414
Over the past year or so I have lurked in these forums reading info and interesting threads, but rarely posting. The reason I have continued to read the new topics here every morning is simple, the posts are usually intelligent and as unbiased as you can get for an owner's group forum.

This, though, is pathetic. It's actually kind of ironic to see how you point out a thread to make fun of a forum's stupidity and this is what comes out. This is starting to sound exactly like pbnation or a similar kind of place.

Tippmann Model 98 (custom, we'll just assume, since that is what is being sold nowadays) vs. a stock non-RT mag with no upgrades... As far as RoF goes, it's really not a plain fact as to which shoots faster. If you mean the marker's capable cps, then mag wins without a doubt. But since you mean the RoF that a user is able to achieve, it's really dependent on one thing-- the user. I personally had a hard time moving from a Model 98 trigger to a 'mag trigger. At first it seemed stiff and just plain different. Once I got used to it, I found the shorter but maybe a slightly heavier trigger (trigger spring mods are VERY easy on m98's, any user who would be new enough to the sport to not know this would also shortstroke a mag for sure, giving him some probs) was easier to rip on AFTER SOME TIME. It's completely user preference, just like Cocker vs. Mag trigger.

As far as maitenance goes, they are equal in my book. My Tippmann seemed to hold up better than my minimag, but the minimag was easier to care for and disassemble.

For valve systems... give me a break. Of course a regulated precision system like the Classic valve is going to be more consistent than a spring loaded blowback using unreg'd gas sources.

Just like the trigger, it's all preference. Making fun of someone's gun because it costs less is completely uncalled for. You know how it feels being a 'mag owner because 'mags take some heat sometimes, so don't sink to the level of others. Both are great markers for one reason: they perform well for who they are designed for and are backed up by great companies and quality componants.

Now this is a great post. You should post more often.

Anyway, I have always wondered if Mags have the same rep as Tippmans. Tippmans are built like tanks and reliable, but thats all that Ive heard about them. Not much after that, especially some of the upgrades that ppl are spouting out here in the thread. Are mags perceived as good reliable and sturdy guns and thats it? I know LX and X-mags have brought some into the present day, but not all. Oh well, just curious.

[NeilS300]

Originally posted by Ejp414
Over the past year or so I have lurked in these forums reading info and interesting threads, but rarely posting. The reason I have continued to read the new topics here every morning is simple, the posts are usually intelligent and as unbiased as you can get for an owner's group forum.

This, though, is pathetic. It's actually kind of ironic to see how you point out a thread to make fun of a forum's stupidity and this is what comes out. This is starting to sound exactly like pbnation or a similar kind of place.

Tippmann Model 98 (custom, we'll just assume, since that is what is being sold nowadays) vs. a stock non-RT mag with no upgrades... As far as RoF goes, it's really not a plain fact as to which shoots faster. If you mean the marker's capable cps, then mag wins without a doubt. But since you mean the RoF that a user is able to achieve, it's really dependent on one thing-- the user. I personally had a hard time moving from a Model 98 trigger to a 'mag trigger. At first it seemed stiff and just plain different. Once I got used to it, I found the shorter but maybe a slightly heavier trigger (trigger spring mods are VERY easy on m98's, any user who would be new enough to the sport to not know this would also shortstroke a mag for sure, giving him some probs) was easier to rip on AFTER SOME TIME. It's completely user preference, just like Cocker vs. Mag trigger.

As far as maitenance goes, they are equal in my book. My Tippmann seemed to hold up better than my minimag, but the minimag was easier to care for and disassemble.

For valve systems... give me a break. Of course a regulated precision system like the Classic valve is going to be more consistent than a spring loaded blowback using unreg'd gas sources.

Just like the trigger, it's all preference. Making fun of someone's gun because it costs less is completely uncalled for. You know how it feels being a 'mag owner because 'mags take some heat sometimes, so don't sink to the level of others. Both are great markers for one reason: they perform well for who they are designed for and are backed up by great companies and quality componants.

haha I know that guy!!!

[-=Squid=-]

[Nick O time]

the bottom line is that this thread is pretty dang old.

[Nick O time]

well hmmmm.... i think my point was a little self explanitory.

if you want me to be more specific:
THIS THREAD IS REALLY OLD. look at the date on the first post and you will know.

[Jack & Coke]

what difference does it make if the thread is really old?

If someone wished to discuss a particular subject, would you rather have it fragmented into multiple (duplicate) threads, or consolidated into one thread?

Comments like, "this thread is old", is discouraging in tone to someone who wanted to post about the subject, and will eventually lead to comments like, "Do a search!".

[Automaggot68]

Originally posted by Lopy-slopy
Some of them are idiots. Mags are better than tippy's plain ans simple. One guy said that tippy's are good beause team timppman effect uses them. That makes no scence. They have to use them no matter how bad they are becuase tippman sponsors them. Most of their guns are upgraded so much, ie ebolt, RT, HPA conversion(in other words made into like $2000 guns) and they use A5's mostly. I know there are some teams that don't use their sponsors guns, but I can't see why the company still pays them. Probably just to have them ware their jerseys. It's just a matter of pride. People love their guns and think theirs is the best. their are talon owners groups and they think that they have great markers! LOL.

First off, being in AO, you should already know the argument about how markers aren't better than each other, but for point of fact that it's the user that makes alot of the . Tippmann effect primarily uses Model 98's that I've seen, and heck, for reference order a catalog from Tippmann, it portrays they team in it, most of whom are using 98's. You dont need to convert the M98 to HPA, as it shoots just fine with a screw in preset, most of which the team uses. It doesn't make as big a difference as you might think. It isn't jsut a matter of pride. If it's a matter of pride, why not shoot that companys gun, WITH the adorning of the jersey? THAT doens't make 'scence'.
Of course people love their guns, and think they are the best marker in the world, THATS pride and confidence right there. Why would you go out on the field,and shoot a gun that you despised? (that's excluding the fact that people play for the sheer fun of it) So what if there's a Talon owner's group? I used to own a talon. Those things are if nothing else, really fun to just goof off with. Speaking of, have you ever visited the Talon owner's group site? They've done some really interesting (not to mention cool) things to their markers. "Lol" indeed.

[tonybhall]

I've owned both

I have owned both and I don't really think the two are in compitition with each other. They are aimed at two totally different markets within the paintball world.

The funny thing is, Mag owners and Tippmann owners are really a lot alike. Both chose their markers based on almost exactly the same criteria. The following statements could be said and apply to both. They are very reliable, easy to maintain, not overly flashy and tough as nails. Both are made my excellent companies and both offer great customer service.

Here is an observation that I have made. Let's see if anyone agrees. Tippmann and Kingman pretty much own the entry level market. Almost all of us got our start with one or the other. People who got their start with Tippmanns and liked them tend to be the people that upgrade to Mags because they have simular benefits. People who got their start with Spyders tend to upgrade to either a more expensive Spyder or one of the hundreds of clones or a cocker. Just a thought.

Anyway, my first marker was a 98C. I thought it was great. I played with it for about a year. I put some money in it and upgraded it a little but the conclusion that I came to was that no matter how much money I put into it, it was still an entry level marker. That's not a knock on Tippys, it's the trueth. They are the best entry level marker and dollar for dollar, maybe the best marker you can buy.

My second marker was a Classic Mag. Loved it. I was able to shoot it a little faster than my Tippy but that may be just me. It was however a lot more consistant than my Tippy. (no, this is not just an observation. I tested this over a chrono with HPA using the same tank.) It's a fact, the internal reg on the Mag makes it a more consistant marker. This is not even debatable.

My current marker is a RT Pro with X-Valve, ULT and level 10 with a Warp. I would never go back to a Tippy. But I would recommend them to anyone just getting started who was on a tight budget.

Sorry I was so long winded.
Bryan

[punkncat]

It seems like on every forum,about every type of marker,you see this such and such marker is better that the other because of whatever reason.
If I were to buy into the hype....I would currently own a Viking(its the best right now dontchaknow).That is of course after I sold the Timmy that I had cause it used to be the shizzy!Of course I can't forget Mad Propz for my Impy that shot ropes!

C'mon guys.We have all seen this written every which way it could.Every aspect of it has been gone over with a microscope.The simple fact of the matter is that the BEST marker is the one you like and perform with the best.