Why do people say that close bolt is more accurate

[m-98]

I know that neither closed nor open bolt guns are more accurate than each other but why do people believe that closed bolt is more accurate? Is it just hype or is there some sort of strange (bad) logic behind it?

[pbguy888]

They fell for the hype

DONT FALL FOR THE HYPE!!!!!!!!

[m-98]

I don't fall for the hype, I'm just wondering.

[jaylock33]

Ignorance! The only thing that matters is ball to barrel match.

[Peach]

and consistancy. Cockers have good consistance which leads to nice shot placement with a good paint-barrel match. Thats where most people draw their conclusions from that. Oh cockers close bolt, nice accuracy, HMM I GUESS IT'S ACCURATE BECAUSE OF CLOSED BOLT!

An oiled mag shoots just as nice as cockers. Ignorance is bliss, so let them have it the way they want.

[ezrunner]

whatever

There are many factors to accuracy in shooting.

The balance, weight and recoil of each marker make it easier or harder to shoot more accurately.

I'm not getting into a religious debate or into 6 million physics equations (I have a math minor and a physics background but that isn't needed for this).

You must have a good barrel / paint match AND you must have a consistent air supply and valve configuration.

Now, shooting from a vise and shooting on the field are two different things and you have to learn to shoot whatever you have.

That being said, the cocker crowd seems to have historically had lower rates of fire so they tended to "make their shots count" while at the same time the mag crowd had better rates of fire so they had more firepower.

Then we all figured out we could get barrels that matched our paint better and everything evened out.

Now you can pick most any gun and put a good tank and reg on it, with a freak barrel and shoot accurately.

It is a carry over from the tourney days of old when you either shot a mag or a cocker.

-rob

[AlabamaMan]

for the same reason cockers shoot further than mags. It's just the way it is.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

WGP found a way to market a gun that was an outdated pump gun, in a way that makes them more money, and gives them a good rep. It just makes more people buy your gun when you say it has more range. The whole range thing was something that must have been started by them to sell more guns.

I heard a theory somewhere that they might actually fire farther because of the bolt. Seriously. The back block on a cocker flies back, lifting the barrel up a little. The bolt in a mag flies foreward, pushing the barrel downward, making it seem as though it has a shorter range. I'm not sure if this has ANY truth to it at all, but it makes for some nice convo.

[m-98]

Thanks for answering, I knew all the paint/barrell match stuff so maybe I sould have worded my question better.

Here: Where did the idea that closed bolt is more accurate/better range come from.

In retrospect, the whole quetion is dumb, because nobody probably knows where those ideas came from.

[Lopy-slopy]

It was allredy answerd by one guy. People see cocker's and they see there acurate. they think hey it's probibly cux their closed bolt. I've heard that the fact that it fires from the closed postion make the air it the ball more evenly or something, but it's all BS anyway. Cocker's are acurate guns, but it's not the closed bolt that makes them that way.

[hitmanng]

Actually at least some of the people that believe it have a reason. In a closed bolt marker the ball is surrounded at all times by the barrel/chamber. That means it cannot move. It is starting from a very consistant place. In an open bolt gun the ball is rolled in and can theoretically roll around alittle or bach the way it came. This gives inconsistancy the the starting location. I have heard it described as the difference between blowing a ball of your open hand as opposed to out of a blow gun.
I am not saying it is true or not. I am just explaining the debate instead of just ignoring the opinions that we don't agree with.
Hitmanng

[Jerhew]

this is always so silly to me

on a mag the ball drops into the chamber, the bolt pushes it forward, seals the chamber and fires the ball

on a cocker you have to cycle the gun once to chamber the first ball...so the first time you pull the trigger all it does is let out a puff of air and in the second half of the trigger pull, the bolt comes back, the ball drops into the chamber, the bolt pushes it forward, seals the chamber at which point it's possible to immediately fire the ball

the point where the bolt is at rest matters not because when firing one ball after another, the actions involved in firing the gun appear identical from the balls point of view

and btw it's been said a million times but the whole range thing...
unless you have backspin (z body, flatline) your 300fps is going to fire a ball just as far as my 300fps will.

oh ya by the way
if one was proven to be better than the other and not just the source of the silly old debate...
the other company would've been out of business a long time ago

[Ov3rmind]

What most people fail to notice is that at high rates of fire any closed bolt gun fires just like an open bolt gun. So any "inherent accuracy" a closed bolt gun may have during slow paced shots would be lost. Unfortunately, my Cocker seems to be just as accurate during rapid firing as well and slow paced shots (in other words, just as accrate as any other gun).

[Blazestorm]

Sorry.

But we cocker owners have knomes. They go inside the balls to insure our balls go directly where we want. I have proof. I will show you later.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by Blazestorm
Sorry.

But we cocker owners have knomes. They go inside the balls to insure our balls go directly where we want. I have proof. I will show you later.

I noticed a bunch of dead gnomes in my breech today.