Why do people say that close bolt is more accurate

[nippinout]

I can make an autococker shoot farther! Just push on the cocking rod a little bit before you fire.

One thing that is beneficial from a two-staged gun is the ability to time the events. You can also use different pressures to operate the bolt and the valve pneumatics.

And you can create ball-suck. But with warpfeeds and HALO's it just wastes air doing so.

Autocockers are just cool!

[Grasshopper]

Why do people say that closed bolt is more accurate? The same reason people say chrome adds 5+ feet onto your range. Because it's true.

[deathstalker]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. I thought it was common knowledge that putting a "Type R" sticker on your hopper increases range by 15%. In order to increase accuracy, you should use a "Powered by AGD" sticker.

[GT]

Originally posted by deathstalker
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. I thought it was common knowledge that putting a "Type R" sticker on your hopper increases range by 15%. In order to increase accuracy, you should use a "Powered by AGD" sticker.

and the fake BOV next to the valve

jb

[Recon by Fire]

Maybe if we held our markers out at arms length rather than tucked in tight, we could also increase our ranges...

[tysonmachado]

With a pump action marker closed bolt designs tend to be more "accurate." When bench mounted and tested there is no difference in precision, the difference come when they are held and fired. In an open bolt pump action marker the bolt and hammer both move when the trigger is pulled. In a closed bolt pump action the bolt only moves when it is re-cocked. When the trigger is pulled only the hammer moves. Because less mass is moving when the marker is fired a closed bolt pump action will not jerk as much so it is less likely to throw off your aim.

This only applies to pumps, all semis recock automatically so the bolt moves at some point in every firing cycle. Of course, if you are skilled and well aquainted with your marker you will instinctively correct for this. No matter what your marker does when fired, as long as it does it consistently every time you will become accustomed to it. For example, if your marker consitently fires two degrees to the left you will learn to aim two degrees to the right.

[Richter]

my theory an i have nothing to back it up is that closed bolts are only more accurate on the first shot because nothing is impeading the ball. The only thing impeading the ball is the ball detent. With a close bolt you don't have the friction of the ball detent to create a slight amount of spin on the ball. now a tighter barrel will compensate for this but you risk ball breakage. I think that is why lapco barrels became so popular. I use to notice back in the day that on the far end of the range of my mag that the ball tended to hook to one side. Now many people match thier paint to there barrel and get rid of this issue more or less. But i think that is my back in the day people use to shoot cockers, and the other reason was because you could cheat with them. Examples are thumbing cocking rods, pulling up on the trigger (with sloppy siding tirggers) to get chrono speed down only to shoot hot on the field. I remember the 295 298 296 on the chrono when you pulled up peoples trigger and when pull normally or on the bottom of a double trigger it would shot 305 310 309. That is why refs were only allowed to shoot the markers after awhile.

just some ramblings
Shane

[Miscue]

This is why: It is a known fact that closed bolt firearms are more accurate. This is because they have tighter tolerances.

However, people have misapplied firearm principles to paintball... and thus the myth that closed bolt markers are more accurate and such.

[Nomad]

I think it also is a bit of spill over from the firearms world.


Edit: Miscue beat me to it... :o

[Jerhew]

Originally posted by Miscue
This is why: It is a known fact that closed bolt firearms are more accurate. This is because they have tighter tolerances.

However, people have misapplied firearm principles to paintball... and thus the myth that closed bolt markers are more accurate and such.

hrm i didn't think of this angle
i learned something new today
well it seems that people try to apply a lot of things from real firearms that don't work on paintball guns...
like scopes :P

[Magluvr]

Someone mentioned that closed bolt guns might be more accurate because the ball doesn't move around, it is just sitting there. However, I would like to disagree because when the closed bolt guns originally loaded the ball the ball could move around just as much as in a open bolt gun. So in all actuality it doesn't seem to me that colosed bolts guarantee that the ball will always be in the same position, and hence just as much of an inaccuracy as the open bolt.

I hope that makes a little bit of sense.
-Peter

[Miscue]

Well, in rapid fire... closed bolt and open bolt behave exactly the same way... there is no way to distinguish the two. Basically, the main difference is where the ball is at... at rest.

[puckmaster]

I just had this "discussion" with some people at my field. EVERYBODY was against me. The best reason they had was "because i said so"

[P4ULuk]

Cockers never used to have ADB's so cowners had to rely on a better paint to barrel fit or risk losing balls, better paint barrel fit = consistancy = better accuracy.
And thats how the 'lie' begun.

Paul.
:)

[than205]

Originally posted by P4ULuk
Cockers never used to have ADB's so cowners had to rely on a better paint to barrel fit or risk losing balls, better paint barrel fit = consistancy = better accuracy.
And thats how the 'lie' begun.

Paul.
:)

Between this and Miscue's explanation. There it is.