AGD: the good, the bad, and the confusing

[gam-e]

by no means was i stating that the ALMIGHT AUTOCOCKER RULES THE WORLD OF PAINTBALL.

i was expressing my opinion as a matter of fact, as most of us do most of the time.

i am glad to see that most, or at least half of the people here have realized that, and not got bent out of shape over it.

i am not ignorant, and i am not stupid; however, i am gulity of being closed-minded at times. this was one of those times. and i dont believe that i got owned at all. i was educated (my perspectives were broadened)on a subject that i viewed very one sided.

guys im not anti AGD jesus.. i got my emag less than a month after they came out originally. ive had my rt for about 4 years already. i can't explain the X-valve, the trigger was not that much softer with it that the regular valve, and the bounce was negligible. i seldom play tourneys, and at my local field, a little 2 shot burst is a nice little thing.

im not an engineer, and im not a paintball guru like Doc

i prefer a different gun now. and ive played with cockers about as long as my E-mag. the emag is backup now. yes there are many "True markers" i believe people considered my opinion as a decree. NO, you don't have to like them, you dont have to buy them, YES, you can still shoot me with your mag - maybe :) - and you are free to hold you opinions, i will not encroach upon them.

however unappreciated this thread is, if it is unappreciated, i hope something is gained from it. i as well as other know about the threaded barrels, and lx (still wary of that), and X-valve (that too).

people who take things too seriously should be shot

that was sarcastic too, lord i might have more people after me for that too.

Dion

[Dayspring]

Don't know what you have to be wary about the Level 10 for...

And the X Valve doesn't lighten your trigger per se... It makes it QUICKER. The ULT... Now THAT lightens your trigger.

[Duke Henry]

Originally posted by Dayspring
Don't know what you have to be wary about the Level 10 for...

And the X Valve doesn't lighten your trigger per se... It makes it QUICKER. The ULT... Now THAT lightens your trigger.

And by ULT I believe Dayspring means ULE...

[TigerMan]

Originally posted by gam-e
by no means was i stating that the ALMIGHT AUTOCOCKER RULES THE WORLD OF PAINTBALL.

i was expressing my opinion as a matter of fact, as most of us do most of the time.

i am glad to see that most, or at least half of the people here have realized that, and not got bent out of shape over it.

i am not ignorant, and i am not stupid; however, i am gulity of being closed-minded at times. this was one of those times. and i dont believe that i got owned at all. i was educated (my perspectives were broadened)on a subject that i viewed very one sided.

People are going to react very one sided here on certain subjects because this is, after all, an Automags board. If you went to any Autococker forum and did the reverse of this, I imagine they'd respond very similarly.

When you say certain things, of course many people are not going to agree. This topic just happened to be one of them, as many of the posters here live and die by AGD products.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by Duke Henry


And by ULT I believe Dayspring means ULE...

Nope, he means ULT. It's Ultra Light Trigger

[gam-e]

Originally posted by Dayspring
Don't know what you have to be wary about the Level 10 for...

i think it could have been released long ago

thats just me though, maybe not, and if it wasn't thought of until recently, i think it should have sooner. it shouldn't have taken years after other markers constructed their own ways of eliminating chopping.

Dion

[hitech]

Originally posted by gam-e
I think it could have been released long ago...It shouldn't have taken years after other markers constructed their own ways of eliminating chopping.

How do other markers eliminate chopping? Electronic markers can use some sort of "eye", but what mech. marker has a way to eliminate chopping? How do they do it?

[gam-e]

well, i know that dark cocker and free flows are pretty much identical

and the low pressure makes the bolt stop on the paint. been around for quite some time.. i can chop pain with just about any gun but not a dark or freeflow. i can run my friends dark with race frame at 15 bps when i walk the trigger and no breaks at all...played that way all day

[WARPED1]

Re: AGD: the good, the bad, and the confusing

Originally posted by gam-e
i used to be 100% AGD, in fact i was probably more than 100%. i have owned every type of marker AGD has manufactured, and i have come to a sad truth.

firstly, i would like to say that AGD makes realiable marker, they are consistent, and affordable. Until recent upgrades and the new Emags.

i just have a few questions to ask, and i really don't expect an answer from Tom or anyone else for that matter, im just venting.


1. all these years we have been told that the chopping problem was due to us pulling the trigger wrong. "your chopping with that classic because you haven't learned the trigger yet." So now with the release of the level 10 AGD has magically decided that "oh, it wasn't your trigger finger, the bolt was actually hitting the pain too hard causing it to break- give us money for a lx, and we'll fix that marker of yours that is chopping through no fault of your own."


2. We have always had to pay that extra $10 or $20 for the automag barrels. why?-"Because they come off quick!" Now all of a sudden it seems like all of AGD's flashy equipment uses cocker barrels. why now, why not then, why couldn't we have saved that money long ago?


3.Today I was very enthusiastic about trying a ULE, lx, xvalve, intellimag. i was thrown for a loop when i tried both the classic and x-valve and realized the reactivness is miniscule, and all it seems to do is lighten the gun and make the trigger pull lighter? what is wrong with the X-valve? that $325 seems like a complete waste of money to me. i didn't get one little 2 shot burst out of it, not one. i always get those or 3 shot bursts with my emag or RT classic.

like i said, i dont expect answers, and no it wasn't some lemon marker, it was tip top shape, and sadly enough the guy was totally enthralled with it.

guys, flame me for this if you want, but im forced to say this now. if you want a true marker, there is only one choice--autococker.

on a lighter note: Tom, i heard rumors here about the 2004 emags comming with the chord milling on them... i know colin (the guy to does the milling) and he's a great guy, and i think he deserves an opportunity such as what ive heard. he does quality work, and doesn't make too much money doing it. he's paintball to the core, and a great guy.



guys... i like AGD, im just really confused about recent changes they've made (they should have, and much more COULD HAVE been done long ago)

on with the flames....actuall well thought out rebutals would be appreaciated

Dion

I have to agree with your POV.

[hitech]

LPRs set at low pressures tend to not chop, but far from eliminate it. They keep getting better at it. Wasn't that long ago that running your LPR at low enough pressures to not chop slowed the cycle rate too much.

Level 10 is an engineering masterpiece. You can make the bolt as "soft" as you want without sacrificing cycle speed. Yes, it was one of the later developments. But it was based on research that proved it would work instead of just selling it to you claiming that it worked. That takes some time.

[Duke Henry]

Originally posted by FooTemps


Nope, he means ULT. It's Ultra Light Trigger

My mistake, I thought it would have been ULET for Ultra Light Engineered Trigger, since the ULE body is called the ULE Body.

I guess I should be checking in more often; I am clearly out of date on all of the acronyms!

[cockersuk14]

i agree with some of the actual problems you have said and some actually have legitamate arguments however y would u ever come to think an autococker is the best available marker out there? They are possibly the least reliable guns out there in terms of working properly. Plenty of friends that i play with have them and all of them have constant problems with leaks and breakdowns. and i have no idea about anyone else but the actual feel of the trigger on a cocker is disgusting, no matter what type, ive shot hinges stock frames, black magics and i still have not found anything remotely decent. not to mention their claimed accuracy, their accuracy is not anything of wat it is claimed to be. if u want accuracy buy a shocker. and now with the developement of the eblade it adds to the problems. i mean putting a solenoid in a cocker is only something more to break. now this is my oppinion and im not tryin to diss cocker owners or users at all so dont hold me on this but im just saying wat me and alot of people think.

thus the name cockersuk14 peace

[gam-e]

not a problem, but doesn't putting a solenoid on any marker add something to break. i never fiddle with my cocker, never breaks, i guess im a luck bastage.

but if you have any marker with a solenoid on it isn't that an extra part that could break...doesn't mean it will

Dion

[Mav D MagMan]

Originally posted by cockersuk14
i agree with some of the actual problems you have said and some actually have legitamate arguments however y would u ever come to think an autococker is the best available marker out there? They are possibly the least reliable guns out there in terms of working properly. Plenty of friends that i play with have them and all of them have constant problems with leaks and breakdowns. and i have no idea about anyone else but the actual feel of the trigger on a cocker is disgusting, no matter what type, ive shot hinges stock frames, black magics and i still have not found anything remotely decent. not to mention their claimed accuracy, their accuracy is not anything of wat it is claimed to be. if u want accuracy buy a shocker. and now with the developement of the eblade it adds to the problems. i mean putting a solenoid in a cocker is only something more to break. now this is my oppinion and im not tryin to diss cocker owners or users at all so dont hold me on this but im just saying wat me and alot of people think.

thus the name cockersuk14 peace

They let you post on here without clearing up some of your misinformation?

1. Problems with cockers arise from the user (most of the time, compounded by the fact that it is an intricate machine), that's why *some* people have trouble with this and that constantly.

Either they don't know how to take care of it or they fiddle with it unneccessarily.

2. Cockers not as accurate- I don't know if you've seen this around here the hundred billion times it's been said but it's not the marker that makes accuracy (for the most part).

The barrel and paint being used makes more of a difference than recoil and consistency combined.

Good barrel + Good Paint x A Good Paint to Barrel Match = Accuracy. No matter what marker you're shooting it out of!

A low recoil + a consistent operation also add to the accuracy of the marker.

And the rest of your post is just your pref. opinions, cockers just aren't your marker.

Mav

[WicKeD_WaYz]

This thread has gotten very repetative. But I would like to add one thing.

Any cocker will chop more than a level 10 mag. Period.

Thats an unbiased opinion because I have owned 7 or 8 nice cockers in my life.