2001 Dark Angel VS Any Emag..SFL, Micro, AGD ..ect

[hitech]

MagMan5446...

Do you play at Bobby's (Paintball Jungle)? :)

[Evil Bob]

I've owned 4 different Angels over the past 5 years, and the shoot down at rapid fire is a known issue. Put a DOT sight on the marker and place it in a benchrest at a fixed distance, and sight in a small target (an 8 inch paper plate) at 45 feet. Single shot it should hit the 8 inch plate with each shot. Now switch to full auto and rip away, you will immediately notice that the shots will no longer hit the target but will be falling steadily lower. Stop firing, shoot full auto again, the first couple of round will hit the plate, then again the paintballs will steadly fall short. Switch to single shot, and you're back to hitting the 8 inch target again with each successive rounds.

Most tourny players won't notice this as they don't just stand there and fire 100 plus round without someone shooting back at them. Also, almost none of them use any sort of sight, they adjust off of the first few rounds, so most don't even notice they're steadily elevating the Angel as they're shooting rapid fire.

Placing my E-Mag in the same benchrest and firing it in every mode I can, I can still hit the 8 inch paper plate repeatedly regardless of the rate of fire.

-Evil Bob

[cphilip]

Oh Man! Evil Bob goes in for the knock out!

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by nerobro

on another note, there has recently been released, an adapter that allows the use of a rock instead of the built in LPR on an angel.. *grins*


Also note. Angels drop off badly at high rates of fire.. so that does agree with what the test shows.

actaully you cant buy the "adapter" you have to get it from professional paintball, its the Free Flow mod, and so far everyone loves it, well most everyone
i havent heard anything bad from it, and im planning on getting it on my ripper
the cost is like 100 bucks and included the new mini rock in chome or black, you have to send the gun in because they tune it and such for max performance, so 100 bucks for the work and the mini rock is pretty good

also, whats a high rate of fire? i havnt ever noticed a drop off on mine....
and actually they reccomend that if u have an angel air, to just use the mini reg as a gas through.
suppose to work well that way

later
Cliff

[mac2k4]

thats how i run mine, a.i.r thru reg(gutted) and havn't had any of these lil' problems yall are talking bout

[Nitroduck]

First off, darks really arent that great. Having tried many angels, they are very junky, you pay a extra $300 over a stock C&C for some different milling, volumizers, highrise , ano and warranty. Past that, there is no preformance difference whatsoever....Shoulda went with a Adrenalin S...

RTs recharge at 26bps....Very nice, but who the heck has went that fast on a RT ? The fastest I've EVER heard a human go was 16bps...Very nice, but I can do 14bps on my LED Angel...And I know Im not the fastest.

I haven't tried my recharge rates on my Angel, but from what I've noticed using multiple setups, it really depends on the tank you use. Presets will give you droppoff, but when I switched to a Max Attack system, I never had that problem again. Who needs X ammount of recharge when your never gonna go that fast?

As for the HPR/LPRs.....I can very much so agree that the stock LPR isn't that great...

They just made the Freeflow Mod, goto any angel forum about it, they'll tell you its great because you use a much better flow regulator as opposed to the WDP LPR.

As for the HPR, I've never had any droppoff issues with it as of today.....

Emags vs. Angels...Its all in preferance, Emags have some advantages the Angels dont, but the Angel has advantages the Emag doesn't....Such as...

Angels are lighter, faster MROF in electronic mode, more gas efficent (typically), can opperate at lower pressures when modified and more battery efficent.

The Emag has the Extreme body as a option, has the manual mode.

Reliability is pretty much the same, I've heard Emag stories and Angel stories...Some people hear more Angel horror stories only because there are far more Angels than there are Emags..

Everyone has preferance, both guns are great and will fit different players and playing styles..You really can't say one is better than the other, I've shot a Emag and own a Angel, both guns have thier ups and downs...Some people will view the Emags ups as critical, some will view the Angel ups as critical as well. To each thier own gun..

As for accuracy...
Like Manike said, it really all depends in consistancy, some guns have better consistancy STOCK, but when a gun is set up right, it will shoot as good as any other gun. I've tested Mags, Cockers, Angels and a buttload of other guns for accuracy. All will shoot the same when certain decrepencies are changed such as certain high flow tanks are used or not used. Cockers and Mags can handle presets better consistancy wise versus a angel, but use a dual regulated tank on all 3 and they always shoot the same...

I've had to argue this stuff all the time with people....
No one really has a right to say gun X is better than gun Y, if one gun really WAS better than the other, everyone would use it, but they don't.

There, Im done. Have a happy night!

[nerobro]

The testing only discredits the regulator. not the gun. the tests show the regs suck. But that is all. if anything the angel is the automag of electros. Its' a gun that for the most part you throw in the back, take it out, play with it, and throw it bakc. You get it's maintanance done once a year. and forgetabout it. We tested on 3 different miniregs. They all sucked.

when you put the stab on the angel, the regulator issue disappeared ;-)

[mac2k4]

ya must've gotten some bad wdp regs. cvause, lots of people use them on there cockers, i have one no my evolution cocker, and get awesome consistency.

[nerobro]

These are by no means sequential regs. And they all do return to the EXACT SAME pressrue time and time again. The three regs are from three different angels. of different ages. and different aftermarket MFg's. One was a WDP, the other was a Dark, and the third we couldn't identify. They all had the govinair regs.. they all sucked. Again, the regs DID return to their proper set pressure. But they didnt' do it in a timely manner. The question isn't reg accuracy, it's recharge time.

[NikeMann]

the problem is that some guns you spend alot on then you spend more on making them work right. i dont want to have to do this. i want a gun to work the way it should right out of the box. sure i will add some things to my mag (barrel, warp, etc.) but i dont want to have to add a different reg or anything to help the gun work. i want the gun to work right the first time. and as the tests show, the e-mag does. that's what made my mind up. sure i like the angel and it does look purdy, but i couldnt picture spending $1200 on one then have to stick extra in it to get it to perform at it's best. i will be purchasing an e-mag soon and i had to spend a lot of time saving for it. i was looking at all the electro markers and i found angel to be the best at first. then i started to look around for tests and info on e-mag and it seems to have outperformed angel in alot of areas. plus, the fact that the e-mag has the hybrid mode is what really caught my attention. i dont want the feel of "a mouse click". i want the feel of a real live paintball gun. it also gives you more control over your gun. i've had the privalge of shooting both, but i fell in love with the e-mag cuz of everything. sure if you have tons of money to spend go for the angel, it has lots of useless stuff on it. if you want a good gun for you money, go for the e-mag. who needs 26 modes of firing anyways? semi is all i want (maybe turbo to show off). just consider the pros and cons of both. each person has different pros and cons. for me the e-mag was by far the best choice.

[RSUAVE911]

my GOD, this thread was dug up from HELL!

[covadsucks]

Cliffio,
Can you post a pick of your Angel. I'd really like to see what the ripper looks like. As I am considering buying one.

[PowerFedMag]

accuracy

Hey, I'm all about the accuracy being the same on all guns, and accuracy differentiating with regulators (hardly) and paint and barrel bore.
The way I see it...and have been seeing it...no gun is more accurate than another...maybe all those angels and cockers that I see aren't setup right for their "more accurate than other guns" mode.

A bunch of guns --cockers, mags, angels, matrixs, etc... --are sitting all nice, each loaded with the exact same balls, and exact same barrels (haha, exact...in pball).
They're also all set at the same velocity.
OK - - - the pballs are all fired...at the same vel. through the same barrel.
tell me how one pball traveling at the same speed out the same barrel will be more accurate than another (ASSUMING IT DOESNT BREAK...4 u wise guys)...

[bofh]

Re: accuracy

Originally posted by PowerFedMag
[B]They're also all set at the same velocity.
OK - - - the pballs are all fired...at the same vel. through the same barrel.

The difference in accuracy is about how well the markers regulate the velocity. You're assuming that each gun can keep the same velocity, and the truth is they can't. None of them can. The RT valve, for all it's bally-ho raises it's velocity during shooting. The Angel drops, quite a bit it seems. The rest of them, vary up and down with each shot.

What manufacturers do (I hope) is try to make those spikes smaller. The high end guns, have less variance to each shot, but it's still there. So a 'cocker only has a +/- of 3 fps, while a tippmann might have +/- 8fps and a talon might have +/- 15fps.

I'm here to help,
Shaun

[Havoc_online]

what do you think AGD all the way, at least if your battery dies you got an automag which is still better than any angel.