It's funny Dye got ripped off at IAO

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Animal Mother


I work for Apple Computer..

Well tell the boss to throw an office party cause I just spent almost 5 grand on a new G5 2GB Dually with 17" Flatscreen from you guys today...

[thecavemankevin]

geez phill...i think we know whos got money to burn:)

well if we are cleaning up and getting rid of the scum from paintball i think the priority is smart parts

but back to the topic, this isn't cool at all because now Dye's insurance is going up thus the prices (that are already rediculous) that their customers will have to pay are now going up too

[Animal Mother]

Originally posted by cphilip


Well tell the boss to throw an office party cause I just spent almost 5 grand on a new G5 2GB Dually with 17" Flatscreen from you guys today...

Damn... talk about going all out, lol

....and did you get the Apple Care Protection plan with that? It will also cover your display if purchased at the same time.

hehehe... yeah we really push that AppleCare hard.. but with what you just bought.. $249 isn't much more. Remember.. you have a year to get it and it covers you for 3 years from the purchase date. Lot of people get confused on that and say we are trying to rip them off.

I wish I coulda sold that to you, whenever a tech sells something we win prizes because techs aren't salesmen. That's how I got my iPod

[cphilip]

Naw no warranty. I never buy those. I know you make lotsa money on them.

I went through the Educational Sales thingie. Colleges and Universities one cause we have too.

You know them scroll down buttons where you pick up grades and such? I changed all of em to the Plus stuff! 1 GB RAM... everything... And added Office software and a 800 GB lacie Firewire drive to it all as well.

Was not so keen about the 7-8 week delivery thing though. When I buy something I want it NOW!!!!

[WickeDKlowN]

Who care where/how the stuff is made? I could care less as long as it looks and works good. Wht happened to DYE is not funny at all. How would you feel if you got 10K stolen form you?

[e mag]

just because something is made in china doesnt mean it is made by kids.

[i like tictacs]

do you use a revy or an eggo?
do you have any JT products?
do you have any dye products?


there are many more companies that do it too. i guarantee you are using a product from a company that contracts over seas in china. so if you're going to boycott, you might as well get rid of all that stuff,


so stfu.

[845]

Most factory workers in China are around the age of 15.

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by Animal Mother

I am not speaking about Manila, I am speaking about China, neighbor to Japan, ever hear of it? They are a communist country who's chief export is child slave labor.

Are you kidding me? Do you really believe this or was it just some sort of figure of speach?

I chalenge you to show figures which show China's "chief export [to be] child slave labor." Somehow I think you wont be able to do it.

I look forward to a post from you which isn't negative.

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by 845
Most factory workers in China are around the age of 15.

Once again, I'd like to see where you got this information.

Just looking at the population of China and the labor force requierments of it's industries will show this statment to be completely impossible.

[Animal Mother]

Originally posted by cphilip


Was not so keen about the 7-8 week delivery thing though. When I buy something I want it NOW!!!!

Yeah.. they can't stock pile before Jobs gives his keynote speech because someone always leaks the info. Before the G5 was released we had one production line closed off and surrounded by curtains with security guarding it. Actually we do that for all test products. We send one batch through and send them back to Cupertino for testing. Right now they hired on a 3rd shift so we're back to 24/7 production to meet the demand of the G5. 1 line is for the Xserve and the rest are dedicated for the G5. Really good yield on the G5, unlike the Xserve.. the Xserve is a great system, but when it was new the systems we used to test them didn't work properly and failed just about every unit, lol. I'm a Failure Analysis Engineer.. fancy name but basically what I do is when we have 3 of the same failures on the production line they stop everything and I run in and find out what the problem is.. like bad batch of HD's (because someone dropped the pallet os HD's, lol) or bad batch of logic boards or a lot of the times someone on the line just installed something wrong. Thats part of my job.. a lot of it is just being a tech, finding out problems in the field after a product has been out for a few weeks, known issues and capturing them etc. Fun stuff, most of the cost with Apple is you're getting a computer that has been tested a million times before it is shipped to you. We run every test 3 times and do a burn in time on 12 hours..

Anyways, lol

WickeDKlowN, it would suck. But here is an example..

What if you heard on the news the other day that Osama Bin Laden had cancer of the testicals, and it was so bad that they had to remove EVERYTHING and for the rest of his life he will pee through a silly straw due to the back pressure needed to urinate or something. If that happened to you.. would you or I be laughing? No.. when it happens to a bad person, it's funny as hell!

Now.. I am not going anywhere close to saying Dye is like the piece of crap that orchestrated the death of thousands of people. But it is why I feel it's funny to laugh at Dye when the very product they sell that was made by slaves so they can turn a larger profit is stolen from them.

[Jack & Coke]

[joeyjoe367]

If a poor kid in a neighboring town offered to mow your lawn for $1 while the rich kid next door offered to mow it for $20, who would you have mow your lawn?

It's simply economics. And 60 cents an hour in some of those places isn't nearly as bad as it sounds. You have to realize that the US dollar is very powerful in relation to some 3rd world country's currancy.

...and what would happen to that country if we did start paying them the US minimum wage? If suddenly a textile worker is able to make more than most other jobs that require schooling, what would happen to that society? Kids would drop out of school to go work for nike and whatnot.

What DYE, Nike, and other large corporations are doing is not Immorral by any means, IMO. They are not forcing anyone to accept their offer for employment.

What *IS* immoral is your call for laughter at someone's misfortune.

[Animal Mother]

Ummm no.

Just because "everyone does it" doesn't make it right. Just because it's cheaper doesn't make it right.

You are totally missing the issue. It isn't about who does it cheaper, it's about the working conditions of the people making your product. Theses people have no days off.. theses people take no breaks. The labor laws in the U.S states you have to make a certain amount, the working conditions have to be satisfactory and safe, your employees cannot work more than a certain amount of hours per week and must take two breaks a a lunch in an 8 hour shift. Have you even heard of OSHA? (Occupational Safety & Health Administration)

Theses kids that work their fingers to the bone in 3rd world countries get NONE of this. Why? Because their employer makes the rules, not the government and state. So whos best interest is being met?

You tell ME that it isn't as bad as it "SOUNDS", how about as bad as I "SAW". How many sweat shops in China have you been to? I've been to one. Can ya beat that?

Panasonic has their product made in Japan, does it cost loads more than Sony's? No.. which means they can put out the same DVD player and sell it for the same price and still turn a profit. Dye can do the same, but they choose to make more of a profit by out sourcing to companies that employ children and have them work in sweat shops.

That $80 pair of Dye pants cost Dye no more than $5 to produce. Add in marketing, overseas shipping etc.. it is still less than half of $80. This is how a company like Dye gets HUGE, once they make loads of money they start buying smaller companies, fire all of its employees and out source to a company in China that enslaves kids to make their product at a fraction of the cost. The all new Matrix.. made in China. Americans lose jobs, our economy goes in the toilet because everyone takes a hit and more kids are employed as slaves in China to make ends meet.

THAT... is wrong.

Like Nike.. we need to put the pressure on Dye, because once Nike was getting a bad wrap.. they started to change their ways. But if we turn our heads to look at the pretty Dye girls in the booth and not look at where that Dye pro flex snapless G string she was wearing was made.. they will continue what they are doing. I think it is BAD to have enslave living beings for a larger profit, and when something BAD happens to that company doing a BAD thing... I won't shed a tear or defend them when someone else laughs at their misfortune.

And again... all I am saying is... be informed and have a conscience before you have your whole team plunk down their cash for matching jerseys. Just think of what you are supporting. Because I guarantee if you chose some other company that made everything in the USA over Dye.. Dye would change the very next day. And when the companies in China lose business and we tell them it's because of how they treat their employees... they will change the next day. See the chain reaction or are you narrow minded and just see the pretty Dye butt rag you just purchased?

whelp... I'm gonna go chuff chuff. If you'll excuse me.

[shartley]