It's funny Dye got ripped off at IAO

[cledford]

Originally posted by Animal Mother


I agree there are many low lifes in paintball, and I would also say many of the low lifes are paintball itself. Companies like Smart Parts, which we all know why they're low lifes and companies like Dye for having all their gear made in China by children.

I guess laughing in public about theft is in a way encouraging it. But... bad things happen to bad people. This is really just a reply to all the people that felt sorry for Dye.. I don't feel sorry for them at all. If Smart Parts factory was picked up by a twister and no one was hurt but Smart Parts went under would you shed a tear? Only because it was Dye... if AGD got ripped off I'd pass out the torches to the lynch mob.

I really gotta agree with Animal on this one - he wasn't condoning theft, but stated from the outset that maybe they're reaping some sort of reward for their past transgressions... Ever heard of Karma?

I personally despise them all - and yes still do buy their products - mainly due to a lack of choice, thanks to the DY's out there who don't care about American's or their jobs. Honestly, does a "made in America" company stand a chance competing against the Dye's and the Redz who save all kinds of cash by exploiting the bad fate of others, then turning the profits against their domestic competitors with huge marketing campaigns, sponsorships, and give-aways? I don't condone rape, murder, or theft, but when lousy people have bad luck (contrary to the good runs they usually enjoy due to the advantage of their low road choices) I've got to admit that I'm a little happy they got to taste misery as well.

I do agree with Cphil on the scumbag issue. I guess that in this case it just turned out to be a case of some smaller scumbags preying on another of their kind.

-Calvin

[Albinonewt]

Theft at a major event like IAO is always bad, it doesn't matter who it happens to. If Satan himself was selling paintball guns and while his guntech Hitler was in the restroom someone swiped Stalin's $3,000 marker that was being worked on it's still wrong. How hypocritical will we look if we support this but then complain when it happens to someone we like next year?

As for Dye. I don't like my Invision very much, but I do like the shoes (I bought them at IAO). I also have a Boombox that I keep my barrels in (although none are Dye Barrels).

As for all the hoopla about the immorality of moving jobs to China, just remember that when you vote for a candidate that advocates the raising of the minimum wage.

[DyNasTy]

hm

In all honesty, this thread is just a little dumb.. yes its bad to have children working on clothing to be sold across sea's but what proof do you have of this? I didnt see a picture iwth a little chinese kid holding a pair of ATC's putting the laces in, or sowing them up.

I really could care less where, or who makes my gear as long as its a quality product and its whta I expected to get and what I wanted to get. And yes I am sticking up for Dye because they are a great company in my mind.

[JAM]

DYE makes a lot of great products. It is not good for anyone to steal anyhting from anyone else.

These idiots that stole from DYE are the same people that would walk away with your marker at the field. screw them.

[Thordic]

This is the most retarded thread I've seen in a long time.

Animal Mother, sorry but any respect I may have had went down the toilet.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Thordic
This is the most retarded thread I've seen in a long time.

Then you should have read the No Doz kill thread. THAT was the most retarded thread in a long time.

[Troy]

I think Animal should be beaten with a Boom stick.

[MarkM]

Originally posted by i like tictacs
do you use a revy or an eggo?
do you have any JT products?
do you have any dye products?


there are many more companies that do it too. i guarantee you are using a product from a company that contracts over seas in china. so if you're going to boycott, you might as well get rid of all that stuff,


so stfu.

Kinda what I was thinking re JT...nice label inside stating that although made from components made in the USA it is assembled in Mexico. If a company can get a product made for a sensible cost in it's own country it will if it can't then it won't. Your pc's all have parts made from outside of the US and a great many are from China...a lot from Malaysia and maybe a couple of resistors from Japan. It is market enconomics that causes this, not someone trying to make a quick buck. Theft is theft, you would all start to complain pretty quickly if DYE, AGD, NPS etc etc all stopped coming to events because they couldn't risk their trailers getting jacked.

[langrage]

First off how many people have heard that every time someone steals from a company the purchasing consumer is effected. You think Dye stuff is over priced, just think how much the stuff is going to cost when they have to make up profit for a $10,000 loss.


Shartley is correct, some of you do not understand international trade at all. I will leave it at that since it would take way to long for some of you to understand.

[Webmaster]

er... uh... Im not a huge fan of Dye - because they make good stuff and sell it for a high price. Too high. But hey - so does Nike and Reebok.

But anyway - IMHO there is NOTHING immoral about having overseas manufacturers make your stuff. While I am not a fan of "child labor sweat shops" there are MANY legitimate and legal manufactures in China and saying that Dye uses child labor with out proof is libel (or is it slander).

So while you may personally prefer to buy american etc - its also the american way to make things cheaper, better, and faster through what ever means we have. Its why we can have some of the most advanced processors on earth be made and sold to use for less than the cost of Mid-level semi.

Just my opinion. Not a huge fan of Dye - but to call them immoral is a bit much.

[langrage]

webby- its libel, slander is spoken

[UThomas]

So if you own DYE stuff, does that make you an enabler or a hypocrit?

Do you even understand economics, and specifically the job market as it relates to worker benefits? Generally, if you take away jobs, there will be less benefits (because they can). If you add jobs, there will be more benefits (because you have to compete for workers). Further, you seem to be comparing a 1st world capitalist economy to a 3rd world industrializing economy. Where do they have good benefits in China?

DYE is actually helping the China situation, not hurting it.

[AFRaven]

Animal Mother... you are so hypocritical, it defies any sort of description. You do realize that not all products made in China are made in sweat shops I hope.

[�.C.]

Re: It's funny Dye got ripped off at IAO

Originally posted by Animal Mother
Here is a company that is immoral to start with. They have 90% of their product made in China. So rather than giving Americans jobs because we employ moral work ethics and taking a hit to profits they would rather have 8 year old children slave away 6 and half days a week for 12 hours in China so they can pocket the profit.

They don't have to work if they don't want to, it's a job, dye doesn't go their and start ransacking the place . . .

[Riotz]

Originally posted by Animal Mother
Does Tom Kaye do it on the backs of children? Go on and answer that one.

Uh... But he does hire lots of immigrant workers. You ever see his staff? haha Sorry Jon and JJ.