A $500 Spyder?!?!

[aaron_mag]

As if we all hadn't been eliminated by a Spyder at some point! My Spyder clone (Rebel) has been as much of a workhorse as our Tippmann 98. Doesn't that guy at otterscustom.com (or something like that) love tricking out Spyders and making them low pressure? Sounds like you can do alot with them.

[Recon by Fire]

Yep, Otter certainly likes his Spyders, almost as much as his PGP's! Spyders are definately a good marker for those who love to tinker and change everything. For what you spend on a Spyder, there is no way you can complain for what you get.

[Gabriel]

Originally posted by Angry Man
Well, you could say that Bob Long makes a 1,000 dollar spyder, but then you'd have to say that ICD, WDP, Smart Parts, and basically every company that makes a two tube stacked electro makes a spyder. The Intimidator is no more a spyder than any of those guns. Although the intimidator uses a body similar to a spyder body, its method of operation is completely different and instead the same as an angel, impulse, bushmaster, etc.

And we all have our own opinions, but if a timmy isn't worth 1 grand...nothing is. Other than featherlight vikings and maybe an angel speed, there's not much on the market that's any better.

Youre right. No paintball gun is worth $1000. The spyder can perform just as good as a timmy, angel, etc. the only potential problem is the quality of the workmanship. If you think about it, all 'guns (in the end) perform the same task; getting a .68 caliber paint-filled sphere into the air, in a general direction, at about 300 fps. The real things that are important on a gun are: 1) consistancy, and 2) efficiency (if thats what youre looking for). Another VERY important thing in paintball (although entirely seperate from the gun) is the paint-to-barrel match. After these three things, its all preference. Feel, recoil, etc. But that is not performance, that is preference, (yeah, i know that's redundant but some people wont get it without saying it 10,000 times).

[tony3]

Gabe, I'm sorry but you are wrong. Paint to barrel match means hardely anything. As long as the bore of your barrel is bigger then the paint you should be fine. I have shot hellfire in my 691 barrel and it shot amazing. Paint to barrel match is a great way for companies to make extra money. The only gun I would use a barrel kit on is a closed bolt gun because you need to have a good match or paint will roll out of the barrel

[Meph]

Originally posted by tony3
Paint to barrel match means hardely anything. As long as the bore of your barrel is bigger then the paint you should be fine. I have shot hellfire in my 691 barrel and it shot amazing.

See, that's the thing. Does it shoot great? Sure! However it's more than just the accuracy. Accuracy on everything is always debatable and everybody gives different opinion.

But a chronograph doesn't lie! It doesn't have a special feel or what have you or hoohoodilly. Just the facts, ma'am.

Take your small paint. Say Dusk or Evil or anything. Use it in a properly fitted barrel, .684-.686 what ever the bore size of that bag tends to be. Shoot over the chrono and adjust to 280. You'll be shooting money.

Now slap on that .693 bore barrel. What just happened? Your velocity dropped! You now have to crank your pressure up more to get it back up to 280, and along with that your velocity spikes are more eratic than before!!! I guarantee it.

So accuracy? Eh, not so much a factor. Honestly I've used small paint in a medium/large barrel and shot fine. It's More about your consistency from each shot, and more importantly how efficient your marker will be at the same velocities.





*Side note: Gabriel, congrats on bringing a 5 MONTH old thread up from the grave!

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by Meph

*Side note: Gabriel, congrats on bringing a 5 MONTH old thread up from the grave!

He digs up an old thread and then changes the topic to paint-to-barrel match. Pretty funny if you ask me. Of course there's been a lot of thread reserection going on lately.

[Tobe2be]

i actually shot that nexion madmatt151 was talking about in a game to i switched my emag for the nexion and it wasnt as bad as i thought it was. it wasnt an emag but it actually was easy to get a rope of paint going. the only thing i didnt like that it was LOUD as hell. i guess thats expected from a spyder

[Gabriel]

Originally posted by TheTramp


He digs up an old thread and then changes the topic to paint-to-barrel match. Pretty funny if you ask me. Of course there's been a lot of thread reserection going on lately.

Oh please! It was on the first page of the paintball talk forum for christ's sake! Am i supposed to check the dates on FIRST PAGE threads

[JesseB]

not to offend the champions of the spyder but that is completely ludacris the whole idea of a sear tripper is crap. I have never seen one last over 6 months of continuous use. like every saturday and sunday. they wear out and break entirely too fast. Sure you can fix it but why not take all the money that it would take to upgrade the spyder to the point that it is reliable fast and competitive and just buy a true electro marker with better quality, a warranty, a.c.e. system and other upgrades already set up on it.

Spyders are ok but there comes a point where they need to draw the line. If they are gonna target tournament teams then they need to make a quality probuct not just the same gun with some milling and a different color every other week. they should stick with the rec crowd and possibly make a scenario version. but I don't think this is a step in the right direction as far as getting spyders into the tournament scene.

[Gabriel]

Originally posted by JesseB
not to offend the champions of the spyder but that is completely ludacris the whole idea of a sear tripper is crap. I have never seen one last over 6 months of continuous use. like every saturday and sunday. they wear out and break entirely too fast. Sure you can fix it but why not take all the money that it would take to upgrade the spyder to the point that it is reliable fast and competitive and just buy a true electro marker with better quality, a warranty, a.c.e. system and other upgrades already set up on it.

Spyders are ok but there comes a point where they need to draw the line. If they are gonna target tournament teams then they need to make a quality probuct not just the same gun with some milling and a different color every other week. they should stick with the rec crowd and possibly make a scenario version. but I don't think this is a step in the right direction as far as getting spyders into the tournament scene.

Haha... ludacris. I didnt know Mike Tyson was a regular on AO

But yeah, the only thing that somebody would HAVE to replace over a while with a sear trippers is the sear. Thats like $20. Gee golly, that sure is alot of money!

And about the eyes, you can now buy aftermarket boards for spyders that come with eyes. And a 90* frame. and 'the one' kit, which turns your gun into an electro-pneumatic gun similar in operation to a BKO. Or, if you are very technichaly inclined, buy all timmy parts and build a timmy for cheaper than buying one new. And how exactly are spyders not tourney-capable?


On a final note to this reply, to make a spyder tourney ready, and I mean REALLY tourney ready, it make take $300-$400. That is with all AKA internals, a Palmers stabalizer, and a SBM 90* frame, uncapped board, break beam eye system, and 50 g microswitch (when it comes out). Add this to the $75 a spyder Xtra costs, and tell me how that compares with, say a TKO 'mag sold at paintballgear.com for $300 alone. With stock trigger. No second reg. Horrible efficency. Not to mention blender. Waste of money? I think not.

[Hey Its Vo]

Spyders? Timmys? What's the difference? They both have batteries, selanoids, and baords in the grip frames. They are starting to look more alike now, just the Timmy has to run Nitro instead of Co2

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Gabriel


Oh please! It was on the first page of the paintball talk forum for christ's sake! Am i supposed to check the dates on FIRST PAGE threads

What are you nuts?

You have to go back like 50 pages to get into threads posted in July.You need to keep your eye on the clicker thing.

[greg]

man this has got me thinkin.... maybe i should keep me old spyder and use my mag as a backup .... i think a trick spyder would be nice....
maybes i will get an electro frame for it instead ofa a collhands frame for my mag for bday

[Xyxyll]

Even though Gabriel brought up a very old post, he made a GREAT point.

Tony3: Sorry buddy... but paint to bore match is an aweful lot. The only other thing that makes a difference is consistancy of air behind the ball. A good air source and regulator solve that. Don't know if you'd argue this or not, but your marker has a regulator too!

JesseB: Um... you realize that all mech guns are sear trippers (MAGS AND COCKERS TOO)? Whole idea is crap huh. No impulse would have even been invented w/o sear trippers. I'd also like to point out that I have NEVER seen a sear break on a Spyder.

"and just buy a true electro marker with better quality, a warrenty, a.c.e. system and other upgrades already set up on it."

hmm.. interesting. Please tell me what makes a "true" electro better? Do you consider the Emag and Xmag "true" electros? And you must be a little confused because Spyders have a good warrenty and ACE systems are available. For the inexpensive cost of a Spyder, no way is Kingman going to throw a $100 regulator on there stock. That's up to you to put on there.


I really get ticked off at you ignorant bashers who are so sure that Spyders are worthless markers. I do believe both markers shoot paintballs at their targets at the same velocity. Don't even bring speed into play. A Spyder can cycle at over 40 cycles per second (FULL cycles). Hmm... I'm sure my Spyder can shoot just as accurate, just as consistant, just as efficient, MORE reliable, and FASTER than your Impulse.

Please... I await your response.

[Recon by Fire]

I have played using a Spyder and an X-Mag, in both cases I played well, got eliminations, got eliminated some, and above all else had lots of fun! So yes Virginia, Spyders can be just as good as Mags