Angel 4 press release on paintball.com...warning typical marketing hype...

[aaron_mag]

Paintball.com has a press release by WDP for the Angel 4. Supposedly the fastest and most accurate marker ever (magically fires at a flatter trajectory than other markers firing at the same fps :)).

Anyway here is the link. Good looking marker...

http://paintball.com/features/story.cfm?placementID=2233&aid=1676&clickon=DB

[scud2519]

looks like a speed with different milling and a lcd display

[Oregon_pb_]

Prol $1300+ and is actually the same as any other marker. The fact that they mention its the world best at everything... lol



How can it feed and shoot 31 balls per second???
(edit: it was 31 bps not 33. lol)

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

um, did they forget about retro mags?

[Rebel46_99]

Here's a letter I sent to WDP and the response I got back....

Re: Angel 4 Claims

Gentlemen...

With all due respect, your claims, as well as those of any company making the same, I realize are nothing more than advertsing hype.

First..... ANY knowledgeable paintball person will know that there is no loader on the market that can keep up with 31 bps, not even the vaunted HALO B. Besides the fact that it is a physical impossibility for the human hand to attain and sustain that rate of fire.

Second.... Accuracy comes from paint to barrel match, nothing more. But then, you know that.

Third..... No amount of Quantum Theory Physics for ANY marker, be it Angel, AutoCocker, Spyder or AutoMag to name a few, will change the trajectory or distance traveled of a paintball being fired at the tournament velocity of 300 fps. To make such claims is an insult to any intelligent person.

Sincerely,

D

And the response was..............................

?

All the best,

Frazer,

WDP Ltd,
221 Mount Street,
Nechells,
Birmingham,
B75QT,
England.
+44 (0)121 3282228

[magman007]

actually, you forgot to realize, that consistency is what really gets you accurate.... paint to barrel match, makes very little difference, where it does make a difference, is if the balls are all consistently the same shape, in which ever bore barrle you have

[lamby]

Aliens-8-my dad------------


Sure, a RetroMag shooting 31bps... RIIIIGHT. I would love to see a manual marker acheive this. Or even an e-marker in semi only mode.

Just for a quick reference there are only 30 pictures per second that make up a tv picture, Movies run at 24 pictures a second, the human eye can only see between about 20 to 25 different "scenes" per second. Basicly, you are saying you can pull a manual triggered marker faster than the eye can see.. UH..COUGH BS

I know you aint talking about the emags (capped at 16bps via a programmed delay)or the x-mags for that matter (capped at 24bps the same way)

the ONLY way to shoot 30+ bps is a full auto circuit card and marker/ valve that can cycle and recharge that fast (Not including that it has to load a ball).

31 times a second is equal to 32ms that is NOT alot of time to cycle a gun, much less load a ball.

And the manual RTs CAN NOT DO IT!!!!!!

[aaron_mag]

I didn't want to start a letter writing campaign to WDP!!!:) I'm sure it really is a nice marker. All press releases by a company need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still they are doing things like pushing for even greater weight reductions, etc.

Competition like this will only help players in the end. I just posted the link for info not to start a debate on if the retromag is the fastest marker in the world.

[lamby]

aaron,

I am sorry, I guess that was sorta a hijack. did not mean it though. The "4" looks sweet, and if it is decently priced will sell better than any other high end marker out at the time (in my opinion based on angels past market record)

Thanks for posting the info.

[Muzikman]

Umm...Manual RT's can do it. Is it tournament legal? no...but it has been done. Do a search for the butterfingers thread.

[FreshmanBob]

[lamby]

Ok, I followed your lead.

Butters got a emagnum emag to fire at 30 (no biggie here as it is tourney banned in that config) and the rt pro was sweet spotting at 20-21 bps again not too impressed I can pull off 14-?? (locked at 16) bps pretty easy on the emag with no trigger rod.

Read my post above, there is only one way to obtain 31bps.. A full auto board (which the 4 is claims to have)

Tourney legal? NO

Fun? Hell yea!!!!

[Animal Mother]

Originally posted by lamby


Sure, a RetroMag shooting 31bps... RIIIIGHT. I would love to see a manual marker acheive this.


And the manual RTs CAN NOT DO IT!!!!!!

http://www.chimpy.com/jack/AutomagMaxCPS1.mpg

Yeah... there ya go... a video of a RT doing 32sps.

More info here: http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...ighlight=32cps

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by lamby
aaron,

I am sorry, I guess that was sorta a hijack. did not mean it though. The "4" looks sweet, and if it is decently priced will sell better than any other high end marker out at the time (in my opinion based on angels past market record)

Thanks for posting the info.

Hijack away. I just think that if AO goes on a letter writing campaign to WDP over a press release that would be some overkill!!!

[RetroEclipseMan]

Originally posted by Oregon_pb_
Prol $1300+ and is actually the same as any other marker. The fact that they mention its the world best at everything... lol



How can it feed and shoot 33 balls per second???

Well, if the new Q-Loader can do everything that it says it can then I'm sure that all of this rof hype these days can actually be put to the test. Heck, it'll kill 2 birds with 1 stone, 1)see if the q-loader can actually feed over 30bps and 2) see if this angel can really feed and fire 31bps.