Angel 4 press release on paintball.com...warning typical marketing hype...

[Ov3rmind]

It would be cool to compile a list of all the guns made now that I think about it. I could add to your list a bit Wooosh87.

Angels:

Lasoya Element LCD (Warped Sports)
Lasoya CL*SS IR3 (Warped Sportz)
Rock LCD (Warped Sportz)
Rock IR3 (Warped Sportz)
Angel LE (I think it was an LED)
Stars and Stripes LED
Alien Abduction LED
Dark LED (Warped Sportz)
2003 LCD
Dark 2003 LCD (Warped Sportz)
Speed Demon (Warped Sportz)
2000 AD LCD
Joy Division IR3
Joy Division LCD (I think it existed, not positive)
DYE Ironman LCD

I'm sure dansim could make that list even longer.

As for Timmys, you just forgot the Alien Timmy (the one with bone milling), I also believe all the Timmys but the ECX are made right at Bob's place, not really aftermarket. I also think there were some "Limited Edition" Timmys awhile ago that were Classics offered in different fades. Once again, I'm sure Slipknot could clear that up if I'm wrong.

Impulses:

Sic
Voodoo (only in Europe)
Rat JR
Evil Rat
Predator
Cash Money (oh how I hate that name)
Fireball Mountain Gothic
Atomix

[rikkter]

lol thanks guys. funny.

you forgot to name the spyders!

mag
rt pro
emag
xmag

hum, whats in store for the futuree

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by rikkter
lol thanks guys. funny.

you forgot to name the spyders!

mag
rt pro
emag
xmag

hum, whats in store for the futuree

I'll name all the Spyders if I have a whole week of absolutely nothing to do.

I'd count the RT and the RT Pro as different guns, there were some noticeable changes done to them. Ah yes, and don't forget the C&C and normal Extreme E-Mags (we did count the C&C Angels anyway). Among those are also the Tuna Mags, Tuna E-Mags, and TKO Mag. Maybe there were more Mags than you thought, eh?

[rikkter]

no, i knew about them, but i was only naming the level steps i guess. name wise you know? tuna EMAG, emag, same thing

lol at the spyder comment

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by rikkter
no, i knew about them, but i was only naming the level steps i guess. name wise you know? tuna EMAG, emag, same thing

lol at the spyder comment

Yeah, I see what you mean. But if you want to look at it like that, then for WDP it would be more like:

LED
LCD
IR3
Speed
A4

[rikkter]

well, kinda
WDP comes out with
lcd fly and stuff

agd doesn't really do that, they jsut sell add ons for the guns you know?
a normal rtpro, with after market parts is now a ule body,xvalve, ygrip rt pro

know what i mean?
i guess i'm meaning 'releasings'
if it is a word
WDP releases angel led, led fly, c+c, or whatnot
classic mag
rt pro
tha tother one you mentiond
emag
xmag

no xmag fly or what not, but is c+c and non


wow i'm not making sense am i?

[Ov3rmind]

Nah, you're making sense. However, look at it like this: While WDP releases Angels with different milling options, AGD also releases Mags with totally different bodies. I think people just make a big deal about it because WDP names them the "Fly" or "C&C" when AGD doesn't. Then again, you have to seperate the milling differences with some sort of name, and "LCD Angel with more Milling" would be a boring name.

[GT]

Originally posted by WARPED1

Take a stock 98 LED and it'll outperform many other guns on the market, even your mags!

Agreed! I thought I was the only one left in the world that loved the "old" angels?

jb

[Diekrupt]

Originally posted by raehl


If John Rice is the one responsible for claiming that the new angel has a flatter trajetory due to low pressure (or for any other reason other than wind, curved barrel, or gravity field), he is either an idiot or a liar.

Period.

And if you believe it, you are also not an example of critical thought.

- Chris

Idiot, liar lol

Prove your theory or fact of pb trajectory as you believe it. Im just courious. People take pb accuracy and trajectory dicussions heavier than political or religious ones which I find amusing and like to egg on. Sorry

So accorinding to you, all markers shoot exactly the same because, the laws of physics demand them to? The force of air is applied differently in all guns to the ball is it not? There is acceleration that occurs in the barrel and depending on delivery mechanism, pressure and where the peak velocity occurs, doesnt that change the way the force is applied to the ball which greatly affects its trajectory? Morover the rate and form at which the ball is accelerated?

Darn, spellchecker for this site has expired.

Diekrupt

[raehl]

Originally posted by Diekrupt
So accorinding to you, all markers shoot exactly the same because, the laws of physics demand them to?

Better said, a paintball going 300 fps will follow the EXACT same trajectory EVERY time, barring spin, wind, altitude change, difference in mass of the paintball, and gravitational fields, because, yes, the laws of physics say so.

Since no paintball marker with a straight barrel can generate wind, add mass to the paintball, or induce spin in the paintball, then yes, ALL TRAJECTORIES ARE THE SAME.

The force of air is applied differently in all guns to the ball is it not?

Depends what you mean by differently - it's the same pressure over the entire back area of the ball, although how big that pressure is at any given time changes from marker to marker, barrel to barrel, and shot to shot.

But once a paintball is out of the barrel, it has no idea how force was applied to it - it's going 300fps, and that's all that matters. How it GOT to be going 300 fps makes no difference.

There is acceleration that occurs in the barrel and depending on delivery mechanism, pressure and where the peak velocity occurs, doesnt that change the way the force is applied to the ball which greatly affects its trajectory?

No.

Morover the rate and form at which the ball is accelerated?

No.

Gravity is the same all the time - every paintball is going to accelerate towards the ground at the same rate every single time. Every paintball (with the same mass) is going to be slowed down from 300 fps at exactly the same rate, every time.

So, unless the new Angel comes with a gravity adjustment or a flatline, any claim to a "flatter trajectory" is BS.


- Chris

[Hexis]

I think the people that honestly believe that a paintball will follow a different set of phisical rules depending on the brand of marker studied Phyzarks, not Physics.

[Wooosh87]

Originally posted by Ov3rmind
I also believe all the Timmys but the ECX are made right at Bob's place, not really aftermarket. I also think there were some "Limited Edition" Timmys awhile ago that were Classics offered in different fades. Once again, I'm sure Slipknot could clear that up if I'm wrong.

ECX Action Sports, (East Coast Extreme Action Sports), is only 30 minutes from my house. Their timmy is straight from Delta/Bob Long. You could get technical and say they are straight from National Paintball Supply seeing as they are the exclusive distributer for the Intimidator, but let's not pull hairs...
Also, the Limited Editions were just as you said, different anno job, nothing more or special.

Thanks for adding to the list. Man, I sure did forget about a lot of them!

[Wooosh87]

Originally posted by rikkter
lol thanks guys. funny.

you forgot to name the spyders!

In reality, the spyder list is not that long. Their product line has not changed in it's "Base" form in over 10 years with the exception of the EM-1 which is similar to the ICD Bushmaster electroic line, (but far worse). They use the venerible, yet popular Stacked tube, blowback semi auto design. First use of this design style was by Sheridan with the VM 68. Also know as the PMI III.

Here is your list, Enjoy!

Kingman Spyder

Basic list. Face it, they are all the same!

Spyder
EM-1
Spyder wth electronic grip frame
That's it! No,really, that's all they make!


Or, Same gun, different name list

Spyder
Sport
Classic
SE
Limited Edition
Compact
Compact 2 in 1
One
Sonix
TL Plus
Shutter
Java Series (TL+ and Shutter in purple annodizing, wow!)
Agressor
X-tra
Flash LED
Flash LCD
AMG Classic
AMG LCD
EM-1
EM-1 Modify (never put into production)
Electra
Nexion (Labeled as a Raven product. Nice try Kingman!)
And a few more, mostly available through Wal mart and such.

Aftermarket/Custom
Don't know of any!

Kingman hasn't made a "Custom" marker for a specific person, company or team like WDP, Smart Parts or Bob Long has/does. Kind of supprising since Bad Company is such a well known team with such a major contract with them. Bob Long did have the Millinum body kit and gun, but it was not a Kingman authorized product so it doesn't fall under this catagory. It would be listed with all the "Clone" models that have flooded the market.
Don't ask for that list either!