Has BPS gotten out of hand?

[hitech]

[Micromag man!]

no it isnt

[painball]

yes. yes it is. What happened to that agreement to cap BPS at 13? At tourneys I'm often seeing horrible overshooting. 12 shots from a few feet away

[RRfireblade]

Over shooters are butt holes and should have no connection to fair and decent players regardless of ROF.Developing a high ROF is a skill like any other and I for one have no problem NOT shooting when I'm aware I've marked someone no matter how fast I may have been shooting before that.

Jay.

[covadsucks]

Re: Has BPS gotten out of hand?

Originally posted by hitech

That's it Hitech, just blame the Emag...lol

Did you at least have fun shooting people all day long?

[Wooosh87]

Are you complaining about people getting out of hand, or the capability of guns getting out of hand?
People have always, and will always overshoot. How can you stop it? It's a matter of people taking it one step too far. In reality, a gun capped at 13 BPS and a gun without a limit will still be able to allow the shooter to throw out those extra balls that no one likes to be on the recieving end of. The last time I played I got tore up by some jerk. He came to do me in and got pelted half way. He kept going and put three in my side. The ref's pulled him and let me stay. He headed for the deadbox only to turn around and put another 8-12 balls up my back. He gave me some nice bloody welts that have left beautiful scars for me to enjoy. Yes, I was very heated at the guy, almost to the point of doing something I would later regret. I calmed down, and told the guy to be a little less stupid next time. Was I angry at the GUN he was shooting? No, it was the lack of self control from the jerk behind the trigger. Untill everyone that plays paintball learns to have self control, bonus balls will be something you will have to live with. You don't have to like it, but you have to contend with it.

On a same yet different note...

Rate of Fire (ROF) has simply become the standard for which people see and rate the quality of a new product. It's sort of like the Horsepower and Torque ratings on a car or truck. Sure, more is better, but at what point is that extra little bit of power going to influence your overall impression? To some people, including myself, seeing a gun capable of an insane ROF right out of the box, with no fooling arund, simply looks good. Is it better than the others? Yes and no. I bought my Mag 12 years ago for the simple fact that I saw on the video tape that comes with every mag, a guy shooting 12+ balls a second on a stock gun. Sold me right then and there. Could I match or even better what I was viewing? No way at all, but I wanted a gun that made ME the limiting factor of performance. I wanted a machine gun capable of mowing down the competition, and that's why I bought what I did. Today is no different than 12 years ago, guns can cycle far faster than a human can pull the trigger or a paintball can be loaded in to it. Even with the advent of the Halo, Warp Feed, Evo II and Q Drive, guns will simply be mechanically more advanced that the piece of plastic sitting on top of it, and will be able to do more than the person that owns it is capable of. Kind of like that 150 MPH spedometer in my truck. I'll never go that fast, but my dashboard says I can...

[acetum]

ROF

Hmmmm how to address this... I think there are 2 underlining problems that no one is addressing.

The first being that ROF is acheived by a players fingers on a TRUE semi auto-marker. When I go to bunker someone, it is to take that player off the field for a tactical advantage. I have trained and trained and trained myself to put only 3 balls on that player. 3 that's it no more no less. I expect not to live!!!! I'll say that out of the 10 times I go to do someone they get done. With only three shots.. ROF is disipline....

Two, overshooting is usually caused by an illegal marker. One time at paintball camp (JK) some guy came to bunker me, we both got taken, the diffrence was that I shot him five times because I actually had 5 balls in the air, and he shot me like 13-14 (I counted the welts). He wasn't firing anymore, his stupid marker was double to triple firing. It was an illegal marker. I.E. you pull his trigger one time and 2-3 shots go off. You pull my trigger one time (regardless of how softly you pull and only one shot comes out.

All field owners or BIG EVENT SPONSORS have to do is REGULATE and check players markers randomly and that malarky will stop.

That's all I got to say about that...

mex

http://team-agp.com

[elpimpo]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
Over shooters are butt holes and should have no connection to fair and decent players regardless of ROF.Developing a high ROF is a skill like any other and I for one have no problem NOT shooting when I'm aware I've marked someone no matter how fast I may have been shooting before that.

Jay.

i overshoot. we'll just say ive never had a dead man pulled on me and it takes a lot longer to whipe 10 hits then it does 1

[GoatBoy]

It's tough to control human behavior by using some sort of technology limit.

If you are hit and no longer wish to get pelted, call yourself out. Even if it's friendly fire. Gun in the air, hands up, yell 'out' or 'hit'. Then get the heck out of the way. I see no mention of this in your story... I would think this information would be relevant.

There should be plenty of refs on the field so this sort of thing doesn't go unnoticed. I see this as a large culprit when things like this happen. Compounding the problem may be tougher economic times, and maybe fields may cut back on their reffing staff.

Also, you mentioned that your TEAM overshot you. By team, I'm going to assume like 5 players or so. If all 5 players only dump, say, 5 balls at you, that's already 25 balls, and it only takes 1 to take you out. That's like 24 bonus balls.

I wouldn't blame the markers or ROF or anything on this sort of thing.

As paintball becomes more popular, it will inevitably draw more people from the incredibly large pool of idiots which our society seems to turn out at an alarming rate.


It wasn't proper back then to overshoot someone, and it still isn't proper now. We just have more bungholes out on the field now.




And I don't even want to get into the scenario nuttiness with these tanks.

[hitech]

[Evil Bob]

There are quite a few factors that all add up to be the cause of this:

1) Technology evolution: Everything is getting faster... markers, hoppers, triggers, et all have evolved so much in the past 5 years alone that it is insanely easy to achieve high rates of fire even on a semi auto marker. We're not even talking about all the burst, turbo, or full auto modes here, I'm talking straight semi auto, 1 ball per pull.

2) Player perception that faster = better: Everyone wants to hit the FPS cap on their marker, its more for bragging rights then it is for practical application on the field. A sustained rate of 5 bps will keep someone's head down just as well as 18 bps, the difference is when you're gunning down a runner, you stand a higher chance of hitting them at 18bps then you do with 5 bps, that's just the laws of percentages working in your favor, accuracy through volume.

3) Adrenaline poisoning: Known fact, people do stupid things when high on adrenaline. This includes trained soldiers who would, against all their training, fire off every round they had on their person as fast as possible (one of the main reasons why the M16 is no longer full auto capable). Basicly it boils down to experience, a seasoned combat vet would not fire off everything they had, same with a seasoned tourny player, they tend toward restraint as they know that they're working with a finite amount of paint in any given game. Usually where overshooting occurs is when the person pulling the trigger does not have enough experience to know when to stop shooting. Additional factors that add to this can be did they see the paint break? Can they actually see that far clearly to see paint break in the first place? Are they legally blind?

4) A change in the playing format to make it more spectator friendly: Speedball is great for crowds, woodsball/scenario is not, mainly because the crowds can't really see what's going on through the trees and obscuring vegetation. Due to the fact that speedball fields are so purposely wide open, the odds are you are being shot at by more then one person at any given time, thereby increasing the total number of rounds in the air heading your direction. The exists the possibility that only one player may have seen paint break on you and stopped shooting while the other 6 continue shooting at you, they may not have seen you raise your arm from their angle and continued hammering away at your bunker to keep your head down, odds are good that you're going to get hit a few more times just stepping out from behind the bunker regardless of the fact that you have your marker over your head and the ref has clearly called you out.

5) Bonus balling: "showing a little bit of extra lovin'" "spreading the truth" "making sure he was good and out" "paying my respects" "proving a point" etc., what ever you want to call it, it aint cool and it's definitely not necessary to add insult to injury when a player is clearly walking off the field minus their armband or under ref supervision. Nor is there a need to hit someone 8 times in the back of the head from point blank when you bunker them, they got the hint with the first two. Anyone who does this intentionally should be removed from the tournament, period, no questions asked. If you don't have enough self control, then you shouldn't be playing.

Basicly it all boils down to faster technology and a lack of fire discipline. Usually those involved in overshooting either lack the necessary experience to stop shooting or are not paying attention to what they're doing and don't realize the player is out as they continue to fire. Then there are those who do it intentionally; these should be lined up against a wall, stripped naked, and given a bit of their own medicine from close range.

-Evil Bob

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by elpimpo


i overshoot. we'll just say ive never had a dead man pulled on me and it takes a lot longer to whipe 10 hits then it does 1

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Originally posted by RRfireblade
Over shooters are butt holes.

Nuff said,

Jay.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

yes, everyone should use a pump, or atleast have their electros limited to 10-12 bps.

[elpimpo]

y

[superdesk2007]

Originally posted by GoatBoy


As paintball becomes more popular, it will inevitably draw more people from the incredibly large pool of idiots which our society seems to turn out at an alarming rate.

Sigged.