Has BPS gotten out of hand?

[~WarpedRT#2~]

It takes no thought to pull a trigger. When bps is limited, like in pump games, you have to make eveery sho coundt. Last time I played woods ball, I had almost not paint to play with. So I limited my shooting alot, and I have to say, it was alot more fun than hiding behind a bunker and hearing nonstop WHAP WHAP WHAP!!! When shots per second is limited, you have to use more brain power to come up with strategies, and play the game smarter. I do love speedball, but the bps is getting insane. I cant even stick my head out to see whats going on. Even when my back players are covering me, there is always someone shooting a ton of paint.

As for overshooting, well, I've done it, and I've had it done to me. Last time I bunkered someone, I was about a foot and a half away from hi, and I half stroked my RT, sending it into run-away mode, and I got him about 12 times in the back. Total accident. And I've had people overshoot me (after I hit them, they wiped it no less). It's something that just happens. I try not to do it, but accidents happen.

[hitech]

Okay, I think we have examined why overshooting happens. I understand making sure in a tournament that the other guy is OUT. By why make such a big deal in a rec ball game? Isn't it just for fun? Why does it matter that much?

A question to those of you who have never played in a tournament:

If you see a paintball break on your opponent do you stop shooting?

[irbodden]

I have no problem if I am slidding it to my bunker and get popped 4-5 times, I would also shoot 4-5 times atleast to guarntee a break. What I HATE is when I am walking off the field with my gun up and someone decides to put 4-5 shots in my back...

[hitech]

Kind of back to my first question. Do you think that todays markers are capable of shooting too fast?

I have to admit to being caught up in the BPS race. I have a roller trigger to put on my emag. I'm hopping the latest version of the software will work on emags so I can get shot buffering and a higher BPS cap. I've played around with my trigger and input pressure and can easily get full auto hybrid bounce.

Isn't all of this getting out of hand? I've never felt out gunned on the field but still feel the need to keep up.

[gamarada717]

Overshooting used to not bother me that much....I try to get at least 2 to 3 shots on them just to make sure they are out and that they break. Before this summer though, I was at a friends house with about 10 other guys and we decide to play in his woods, which already had bunkers because he had played there once before. I shot this one guy about 4 times from 40 feet away, and he yells out. I see him walking back to the house, where the deadbox is. He walks down the hill, comes back up from behind me and puts his barrel to my back and said something I can't say here. Thens fires all of the paint left in his hopper (about 40 balls) at me point blank. He was about to reload a pod but the rest of the guys heard me screaming and came and tackled him. My entire back was bruise, and in the center he had taken off about a millimeter of skin. Some people just lose their tempers too easily. Just a reminder to never piss someone off, they do have a gun in their hands. I'm just glad he didn't do something like make me take my mask off and shoot my eyes.....god I was actually scared that he was going to kill me.

[sbpyro]

I feel that when playing rec ball ppl need to relax a little more. 3 balls into someone will usually get a break or the person calling them out.

On the other side I've seen ppl that I have sniped wipe and when I rush their bunker I will make sure that they are out (a couple of shots in the googles will do).

I also find ppl don't wipe much if you start aiming for parts that aren't always protected (back of the head, groin, rear and hands, not saying do it at point blank range but if you have the shot and you know the accuraccy of the gun at the distance to hit them in those areas more likely than not they realize it maybe a bad thing to get a couple of more shots in those locations.

[Miscue]

I've hit people like 10 times or so because I didn't see a ball break with my fuzzy eyesight. And you have to figure, you might have like 6 balls in the air before you realize you hit the person and lay off the trigger. In bunkering situations, sometimes it's hard to tell how many times you hit someone because it goes so fast and you're running still, maybe looking where you are going. If I'm bunkering someone, I might look at him for a quarter second... as soon as I take my first shot, I'm looking somewhere else. I don't need to look at him to know I'm hitting him.

If someone overshoots me, I think nothing of it because it's understood that there are legitimate reasons for it. It's part of the game.

What I do not like is late hits and cheap shots that are on purpose... or punishment type situations where things just get out of hand and they go to unnecessary levels.

I also follow the philosophy that multiple hits are harder to wipe. If I can put 4 or 5 balls on him, instead of one... I'm putting 4 or 5 on him. I don't do this to people I know to be honest players, or friends and stuff. There's just so many cheating bastiches out there ya know...

[darklord]

Ok, if you don't put your hands up, how am I supposed to know? Sometimes people mumble that they're "out!" or "hit!" but I can't hear it. If I don't see those hands up, you're gonna get hit again. It's really the only way to know if that person is out or not. If I bonus ball it's usually 2-3 balls max. I mean, paintball markers are not accurate by ANY means, so I send 2-3 balls to make sure at least one of them hits.

In recball though, I see no need for some of that. If I do happen to bonus ball it'd be no more than 2. Recball is supposed to be fun, I think that a LOT of newbies and other folks are taking it wayyyy too seriously... I mean, come on, what gamarada717 said should NOT happen, ever! If that kid did that to a newbie, they would NEVER want to go back to the sport!

In recball I really see no need for wiping, bonus balling/overshooting, or bunkering. It's just certain people who make recball not fun by adding these elements into it, which in turn makes newbies follow suit... Don't get me wrong, the aforementioned points are seen all the time in tourney ball... if wiping didn't exist I am pretty sure bonus balling wouldn't be necessary.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

fault

Saying BPS should be limited for these reasons is like saying all cars should be capped at 50mph because some people can't handle driving faster than that or aren't responsible with that power. As long as the cars can safely maintain the speeds (breaks,steering, etc) they're fine, as long as paintball guns don't go into auto or runaway they're fine. It's the person pulling the trigger so many times that's to blame and it's the refs job to punish them much like it is the cops job to punish speeders. So if overshooting happens blame the other player for doing it and the ref if he doesn't step in and enforce the rules.

15bps doesn't mean you need to shoot 15 balls at a person. With a 20bps ROF that means I can duck out of a bunker and fire 3 shots in way less time than if I was using a stock mag with a lower max ROF. That's using it responsibly.

The only reason a company should cap a ROF on a marker is because other components like the air recharge can't handle going any faster. Other than that, it's just building in a weakness and giving a competitor who doesn't believe in caps an advantage.

[Evil Bob]

I think we need to discuss the meaning of bonus balling, to many it's just putting a few extra into the player when you bunker them to make sure they can't wipe it or to guarrantee a break, to others it means to continue shooting the player when the player has readily acknowleged they're out or the ref has already pulled them and they are leaving the field of play.

I'm curious to hear your take on this and how you define it.

For me, bonus balling is intentionally hitting the player after they have acknowledged that they're out or after a ref has pulled them, a sort of "up yours" attitude issue that we see alot in the tourny films. I also know of teams that intentionally do this to try to force a penalty from the player they're shooting at, trying to get them pissed off enough that they try to retaliate by either rushing onto the field to beat the living crap out of them physically or by returning fire, both of which will cost their team dearly if it occurs after the player has been pulled from the game. This is extremely unsportsmanlike and should not be tolerated in the least, I put this in the same category of wipers. Its players and teams intentionally playing the game system and exploiting the rules to win at any cost.

-Evil Bob

[hitech]

Originally posted by Miscue
I also follow the philosophy that multiple hits are harder to wipe. If I can put 4 or 5 balls on him, instead of one... I'm putting 4 or 5 on him.

Actually, this is what I am saying is a problem. Why so competitive for just rec ball? It's not a flame, I'm the same way. I do try to not do that to beginners, but when in doubt...

I'm just wondering why we "all" think this is okay. Why is it okay to keep shooting someone AFTER you KNOW they are hit? Rec ball only.

[covadsucks]

Originally posted by hitech


Actually, this is what I am saying is a problem. Why so competitive for just rec ball? It's not a flame, I'm the same way. I do try to not do that to beginners, but when in doubt...

I'm just wondering why we "all" think this is okay. Why is it okay to keep shooting someone AFTER you KNOW they are hit? Rec ball only.

How else are you supposed to paint your initials on the people you shoot out?!?!


(My reply is not meant to be taken seriously, only meant as humor.)

[shinobidice]

i'm all in favor of high bps guns, only ifg you have to load off of 10 shot pods with no hopper

[Tom Sparkman]

Originally posted by hitech
A question to those of you who have never played in a tournament:

If you see a paintball break on your opponent do you stop shooting?

Yes. I try to yell at them (nicely) telling them where they are hit. Also, newbies are usually overwhelmed and don't always realize they are out. On a large field I've actually plugged my gun, walked over and showed them where they are hit. An added incentive is that my local field has a 3 shot rule, which keeps the overshooting to a bare minimun...

Tom

[SocialD]

I've been on both ends of this one. I have over shot people. All except on time it was on accident. Normally I'll shoot a string of 5-7 balls. Sometimes, albeit rearly, they all hit. If they don't call themselves out, I do it again. I've been spun on too many time to take chances. One time I wiped out a tape line and made it behind their last guy. I popped him square in the back 3 times. I kept my marker on him in case he tried to spin. Sure enough, he tried to spin on me. I laid into him with the ol' RT for about 5 seconds before he finally called out. Then, he was pissed at me. I told him that I stoped shooting as soon as he stopped trying to shoot me.

Another time, I was the last one on my team. We were playing an ex-pro team that was kicked out of NPPL for a payoff thing in either 97 or 98. Anyway, one of their guys had a clean bunkering on me and decided that it was necessary to pop me in the space between the ear piece and the side of ym head about 5 times. I wanted nothing more than to shoot him in the groind about 1300 times. But, I regained my composure and walked off the field.

This all happened before the electro-markers became popular. I'll admit that there is a difference between getting shot 5 times and 20 time, but is is all relative. I think that maybe the refs, both tourny and rec, need to crack down on the people that are doing the over shooting.