Soo.. Tom.. Tommy Tom Tom.. how about those Reg seats?

[edweird]

I ask you all to remember the back story on this part.

First of all of us that took the techclass know that orings are a weird thing. Tk and his engineer cronies are straped into using existing spec orings as it adds insane cost to make a custom oring to some special spec that only we would use.

Anyhow the original o-ring they used in the 4.5 flatline as a regseat was changed to accomidate someone (prolly the company that owns the spec for it) else's spec. This change put us out the only oring that would work for us.

Poor planing? hardly... the engineers had no clue that the O-ring they selected to use as a regseat would get changed from under them in the future.

So unfortunate crazyness happened.

At IAO we where informed that AGD has been testing plenty of other companys o-rings but few matched the strengths of the original seal. Of the ones that worked some where less than reliable and others worked to good.

Orings are strange little things. And alot of engineers design parts to accomidate for the available o-rings on the market(I site the thickness of the ULT on off pin as an example of this). Yes it could be possible to order a custom o-ring to your specific spec... but the costs would be through the roof.

So cool your jets kids. seats are finnaly on the way soon!

[openboater]

Ed, cool your jets..... from a guy in the Air Force, thats pretty good !!!

[schiesz]

Originally posted by Marek


Gracias, I think. Can I get my gun now?

Marek, I may be missing something here, but you have been talking about waiting for a XRTP or ULE RTP since May. I see no official gun by AGD that fits your description. Please correct me if I am wrong. I have seen speculation here on AO about a gun like this, and may have missed some annoucement by Tom. Have you already ordered the XRTP? I wouldn't mind getting on that list myself.

edit:
I just found the annoucement from 8-22 where Tom mentions this, but there is still nothing in The Store about these. Well, there isn't anything in the store about x-mags either, oh well...I guess i'll shut up now.

[abaez]

Does anyone find it wierd that nachos was consistently replying to the earlier posts in this thread and now he has just disappeared?

[Marek]

Originally posted by schiesz
Marek, I may be missing something here, but you have been talking about waiting for a XRTP or ULE RTP since May. I see no official gun by AGD that fits your description. Please correct me if I am wrong. I have seen speculation here on AO about a gun like this, and may have missed some annoucement by Tom. Have you already ordered the XRTP? I wouldn't mind getting on that list myself.

edit:
I just found the annoucement from 8-22 where Tom mentions this, but there is still nothing in The Store about these. Well, there isn't anything in the store about x-mags either, oh well...I guess i'll shut up now.

It's an RTP with an X-valve and ULE. Comes with a 2 piece J&J barrel that is anno'd to match the body (at least, that's the way they told me) I was told that the barrels had been back from anno, so everything should be complete, but still no gun. Oh well, keep on waiting.

[Nachos]

Originally posted by abaez
Does anyone find it wierd that nachos was consistently replying to the earlier posts in this thread and now he has just disappeared?

Yeah... there's this thing called work, and then days off.. as in it was my day off when I replied to this thread over and over and I was working while the thread marched on... ja know?

Anyways... I was going to call AGD, and then I noticed this crap at the bottom of the page: "Canadian orders MUST be placed by phone. All US phone orders will be charged an additional $5.00 phone service fee except for customers in Alaska and Hawaii."

So if I order a $5 reg seat I am charged an extra $5 because I did it by phone because they haven't updated their store?

Yeah... ***** ***** ***** is all I do.. but this is another peanut in this turd. AGD has been close to perfect for some many years.. it frustrates me when they drop and deflate the ball like they are doing now.

And don't give me that crap about "we're all waiting for stuff too", you didn't wait for an X-mag for TWO YEARS like theses small pieces of plastic. You CANNOT put pre-ordering a new gun and a FIX for a DEFECTIVE part in the same category. AGD has known about this PROBLEM for over 2 years.. and just now they're slowly testing new reg seats?!?! Like I said... no ones perfect and things happen.. 2 months.. 3 months.. 6 months (half a year), but 2 YEARS until you start to fix a problem in one of your products?!?! Yeah... that's a bunch of crap. And no I didn't know about it when I bought my Flatline, who the hell searches a message board for something defective from a company that prides themself on quality? I understand this magical O-ring is so hard to produce... but not 2 years hard.

[xen_100]

I am tottly with you nachos..........going back to the car company example.

if a car company puts out a product that has a defect that effects safty or operability, they have to compensate you for the loss of use, fix it for free, or they can buy back the product. I dont see AGD doing either of these things, let alone fixing the tanks for free.

a black mark on an otherwise good rep.

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by xen_100
a black mark on an otherwise good rep.

I can think of at least two other black marks besides this one

[kenndogg]

Originally posted by Nachos


but this is another peanut in this turd.

sigged

[lamby]

Nacho... I am with you


Plain and simple

[Muzikman]

Well...the reg seat problem has not been around two years. They had a problem 2 years ago when the 4500 system were still in the prototype stage (the blue 4500 reg). They found the deformation of the seat to be a problem so before they released them to the public in masses they found a suitable seat. They thought everything was golden and they had a large number of these seats in stock. Then, when they started to run out they contacted the guy who made them and and he said he could (or would) not make any more. This is when the problems really came up. They are now down to no Seats and the guy who made the first batch will not make more. Then they had to find a new supplier and this took time. But it did not take 2 years. It has been less than a year that this was a problem.

Yes, AGD has dropped the ball on a few products in the last 2 years, but look at how many different products they have come out with. Let me see if I can list it all...since 2000

Emag
RT Pro (ok, not much R&D here)
3000 Flatline
Warpfeed
Intelliframes
First super bolt (Biggest failure in AGD history)
4500 Flatline
Level 10
Xmag
Slug bodies
ULE milling on the Emags
Xvalve
ULE bodies (Vert and Warp feed)
AGD Ball Detents
ULE Triggers
Y Frame

That's quite a bit in 4 years

So if they drop the ball on three of these products

-Super Bolt I (Total flop, and best forgot about)
-Xmag (Production limitations. I'm guessing Tom wished the idea never saw the light of day)
-4500 Flatline reg seat (This is the only one that impacted a large number of people and has left equipment unusable.)

Again, I think that track record is not that bad.

As for the car company comaprison...yes, this has happened to car companies too, only difference is that they have a few million to throw at a problem to get it fixed.