Dye signs with Smart Parts!!!

[dre1919]

Originally posted by shartley

Exactly.

Exactly.

This is the same way I feel. I buy a product based upon it's performance, price, availability, repairability, and personal need/usage. I could care less what Smart Parts or Dye's politics are so long as they supply me with what I want and don't charge an arm and a leg. If they do jack the price up, I go somewhere else and get the next best thing or make what I need. Eventually, they'll get the picture when enough people do this and lower the price. That's business.

This is exactly how I feel about this too. Hey...what are we doing agreeing on issues Sam!?

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
My fear is that by people signing with SP they are lending credibility to their patents.

[Tyger]

Re: Re: Re: Re: This needs to be said

Originally posted by manike


Tyger how can you come up with such lavish conspiracy theories if you can't get the press releases? You may be justified in your opinions but I can tell you knowing all the parties very well and personally that you are wrong in them also.

I'll wait my usual 3-4 years to be vindicated. Nothing new there. Peace out.

-Tyger

[bornl33t]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This needs to be said

Originally posted by Tyger


I'll wait my usual 3-4 years to be vindicated. Nothing new there. Peace out.

-Tyger

I'm with Tyger... it's my fav thing to do.. tell someone it's going to happen. Let them tell me "no I know what I'm doing", wait a few weeks/months/years and call them up with "I told you so"

There's a reason why we are wiser as we get older.

[manike]

Yeah but the amount that can change in 3-4 years of paintball is huge!

Just because it isn't true now, doesn't mean it won't be true in 3-4 years. Does that mean his statement now is vindicated? nope.

[cledford]

Originally posted by TheTramp

I disagree. When judges consider these patent issues they receive no formal technical or engineering training or education. Like the politician who make laws - judges in essence know nothing about issue they have staggering control over. The entire matter must be "dumbed down" so that the none-educated (in the area) can make (hopefully) the fairest decision possible. I'd bet bottom dollar if the SP lawyers went into court and said "Your honor, to further support our assertions, we wish to enter into evidence fully executed licensing agreements honoring our intellectual property rights made with us by DYE precision and NPS, who combined account for over 50% of all paintball markers produced." You cannot argue that such information wouldn't be supportive to their case. All they have to do is spin it so that it appears that 2 gun producers saw the light without even being forced, so of course if the people who make guns agree that the SP claims are valid, then they must be...

-Calvin

[Tyger]

Originally posted by manike
Yeah but the amount that can change in 3-4 years of paintball is huge!

Just because it isn't true now, doesn't mean it won't be true in 3-4 years. Does that mean his statement now is vindicated? nope.

Nobody believed Watergate was true at first either.

-Tyger

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by TheTramp

You can't just make a blanket statement like this.

If they were completely independent of outside conditions, there wouldn't be much point of having courts. A lot of times it's about interpretation of the law, and from there, they see if it's really doing what it's supposed to be doing. There's a lot of play in there, and the judges I think try to stay up with the current times.


But... yup. Only time will tell I guess.



Going all the way back to the original topic (I know, can you believe it?) am I the only person here who has had an ongoing boycott of Smart Parts and Dye, prior to any of this patent hoohah, on the grounds that their parts either don't perform, or aren't worth their exorbitant price tag, or a unique combination of both?

[GT]

Re: This needs to be said

Originally posted by Tyger
Yep. Us "little people" in the woods, in the fields, on the hyperball courts, playing plain ol' paintball with two flags, a bunch of opponents, and some guy in an orange vest saying "GO!"

And if SP decides to lock the electro market, fine. My e-mag has a "Manual" switch too.

-Tyger

I cant be the only one that is just plain tired. I dont give a **** what SP or anyone else does. If SP takes a bunch of folks down, not likly, then there will be some awsome sales. I will pickup a few good guns and several parts kits that will easly last me my lifetime.

I hate to tell you guys but if the worst rumors are true about SP there isnt a dam, DAMM thing AO or the internet community can do about it. We, 'net, are such a small peice of the big pie. Most of your pb playing public wants a "cheap" e gun that can be "upgraded" with 150.00 barrels that dont do jack squat. Do you honestly think that paintball, on the general consumer level, is really anymore complex than that?

Spend all yor time writting 10 page replies to this moronic topic and not a dam thing will change. We can debate all day and all night and no one, not even Tom, really knows whats going on. If I am not mistaken suits of this nature are not up for public disucison by folks invovled, therfore only the invovled parties contain factual information.

I spent to much time on this already

jb

[manike]

Re: Re: This needs to be said

Originally posted by gtrsi
I hate to tell you guys but if the worst rumors are true about SP there isnt a dam, DAMM thing AO or the internet community can do about it. We, 'net, are such a small peice of the big pie.

Not completely true you know.

I've heard from sources inside SP that the Boycott is having an effect. So there is something we can do. What it will ultimately achieve we do not know though.

[blueangelboy]

wow, i never thought that would happen. didnt even see it coming or any rumors or ANYTHING. oh well, now we got the greatest paintball company (dye) dealing with biatches (SP). but SP does make good stuff. i still hate em though. peace

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by GoatBoy


You can't just make a blanket statement like this.

It wasn't really a blanket statment. It was a very brief discription of how one small part the civil court system works.

If they were completely independent of outside conditions, there wouldn't be much point of having courts. A lot of times it's about interpretation of the law, and from there, they see if it's really doing what it's supposed to be doing. There's a lot of play in there, and the judges I think try to stay up with the current times.

I've seen lawyers try to bring in anecdotal evidence (they do it all the time)and I can tell you that judges don't want to hear it. Of course law can and is often open to interpretation however; it's not law that's being discussed here. The question is going to be if SP should have been allowed to broaden their original patent to include basically every electronic paint gun on the market. The fact that several companies have bowed to SP pressure isn't precedent it's simply anecdotal evidence. If ICD's lawyers are any good they will be able to argue this point if SP brings it up.

But... yup. Only time will tell I guess.

yup