cocker or mag what yall think?

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by RaV3n_Pa1ntba||
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Remove reg on cocker and run it with an asa adapter same setup with mag.

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Throw on a maxflow system for them bolth which is perfect cause it really concistent...and set the output 800 for both.

How exactly is taking the inline reg off a cocker going to make it like a mag? Then the cocker has NO reg, and the mag still has one. The LPR on the front regulates the COCKING pressure, not the firing pressure.

Next... A maxflow on a cocker without an inline reg is fine... on a mag? I don't recommend it. It's overkill. You don't need to double reg a maxflow. Even SP says that. It can cause flow issues... I've seen it happen on mags as well as other guns.

:) MHO

DR

[RaV3n_Pa1ntba||]

umm...you always double reg mags...its tripple regulating it that kills it stupid. Umm lets see...one reg from the AIR valve...and 1 reg from the maxflow. Wow your dumb

Well lets see...taking off the reg will make it so there are no other things regulating it making it as concistent as possible. but if you wanna make it as close as you can you can throw on a gen x which is pretty similiar to a mag internal reg.

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by RaV3n_Pa1ntba||
umm...you always double reg mags...its tripple regulating it that kills it stupid. Umm lets see...one reg from the AIR valve...and 1 reg from the maxflow. Wow your dumb

You're really amazing. The best you can do is call names?

The Maxflow is the equivalent to two regs, not one. That's how you can run it without an inline on the cocker.

Now, 1 plus 2 = what?

Yes. I'M the one that's stupid.


DR

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by RaV3n_Pa1ntba||


Well lets see...taking off the reg will make it so there are no other things regulating it making it as concistent as possible. but if you wanna make it as close as you can you can throw on a gen x which is pretty similiar to a mag internal reg.

You edited your post and added this, so it wasn't in my first post.

I'm not really understanding what reg you are "taking off" the mag, considering the mag IS a reg... are you running an inline on your mag as well as the AIR? Then, if you aren't running C02, you are triple regulating, which in your own terms is "dumb".

Please. Don't attempt to continue flaming... it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

DR

[RaV3n_Pa1ntba||]

How exactly is taking the inline reg off a cocker going to make it like a mag? Then the cocker has NO reg, and the mag still has one. The LPR on the front regulates the COCKING pressure, not the firing pressure.

Next... A maxflow on a cocker without an inline reg is fine... on a mag? I don't recommend it. It's overkill. You don't need to double reg a maxflow. Even SP says that. It can cause flow issues... I've seen it happen on mags as well as other guns.


BTW you dont make any sense ... now according to you it seems that "the cocker has NO reg, and the mag still has one. The LPR on the front regulates the COCKING pressure, not the firing pressure" therefore if that statement is true then how would this be " maxflow on a cocker without an inline reg is fine" your really make no sense.

[RaV3n_Pa1ntba||]

wtf are you smoking you cant take any reg off of the mag my friend where did you get that idea.

"Remove reg on cocker and run it with an asa adapter same setup with mag"

remove cocker and run it with an asa adapter... same setup with the mag meaning RUNNING IT WITH AN ASA INSTEAD OF WITH A GAS THRU cause you get more flow.

now you understand..

[RaV3n_Pa1ntba||]

and with this Well lets see...taking off the reg will make it so there are no other things regulating it making it as concistent as possible. but if you wanna make it as close as you can you can throw on a gen x which is pretty similiar to a mag internal reg.

im talking about the cocker answering your second statement...made in your first post

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by RaV3n_Pa1ntba||

BTW you dont make any sense ... now according to you it seems that "the cocker has NO reg, and the mag still has one. The LPR on the front regulates the COCKING pressure, not the firing pressure" therefore if that statement is true then how would this be " maxflow on a cocker without an inline reg is fine" your really make no sense.

LMAO

What the hell are you talking about? Do you know how a cocker works?

The LPR on a cocker is the little lump on the front left side (under the barrel), under the little rod that cocks the gun. It controls the cocking pressure. Normally on a cocker, there is also an INLINE reg (we'll call it front grip for you), which could be (for instance) a Genx reg.

The mag IS a reg... what do you think the AIR valve is? :)

So, with the maxflow on the mag, you are essentially triple regulating...

With the cocker, no inline reg, and a maxflow, you should see better flow which makes your example a bad one.

Give up.

DR

[pntbawlrmz]

Again as some people have said, this is a mag forum and most answers are going to be biased. Go to a cocker forum or on pbnation somewhere and ask the same question. First they will tell you to use your brains and do a search and then you will start to get more even based replies cause its not a specific gun forum but just a paintball forum. I you like to tinker get a cocker, it'll be fun if you're the kinda person who played with legos when you were a kid. They are great to build up and customize, but you have to know what you are doin. The first day you have it you can't just go and take it all apart and expect it to work fine once you put it back togother unless you know what you are doing.

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by RaV3n_Pa1ntba||
wtf are you smoking you cant take any reg off of the mag my friend where did you get that idea.

"Remove reg on cocker and run it with an asa adapter same setup with mag"

remove cocker and run it with an asa adapter... same setup with the mag meaning RUNNING IT WITH AN ASA INSTEAD OF WITH A GAS THRU cause you get more flow.

now you understand..

The Mag IS a reg, dude. You CAN'T take the reg "off" the mag. But, that is what you are saying... "take the reg off the cocker". If you don't "take the reg off the mag" then it's not the same setup, is it?

What you REALLY should say, is take an armageddon (or similar) and attach it to both the cocker and the mag. Put a Air America black ice on the cocker as a reg, as it's close to the AIR valve in design.

NOW we have something that's close in performance.

Also, how does an ASA get more flow than a gas through?

DR

[RaV3n_Pa1ntba||]

never new the maxflow has 2 regs...concidering my friend runs one on his RT pro and it runs great. No drop off or problems... well since its 2 regs and the AIR valve has a built in reg making it 3 why does he have no problems. I think its a great tank...like flatline better.(yes i know this you dont need to say that concidering i mentioned it already)

But if you wanna complain about the maxflow cause some users may not be as lucky as my friend with his RT then here.

Change the air system used to a hyperflow or dynaflow cause i have one of them on my back up mags and its great. And as the secondary reg run a gen x cause there really close in internals to the mag built in reg (AIR VAVLE).

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by RaV3n_Pa1ntba||
never new the maxflow has 2 regs...concidering my friend runs one on his RT pro and it runs great. No drop off or problems there since its 2 regs and the AIR valve has a built in reg making it 3 (yes i know this you dont need to say that concidering i mentioned it already)

It's the equivalent to two regs, not actually two regs. It's pressure regulating on both sides, or somesuch. Doc Nickel could explain it better.

:)

I'm glad that's all cleared up... it was pretty funny.

DR

[HoppysMag]

All in thought heres some pro's


Mag=
Super High Rate of fire.
Super reliable.
Looks cool.
Makes that cool sound!( yes im a recballer)

Cocker=
the cool rear cocking thingy.
Some what cool sound
Forward elf storage!

[RaV3n_Pa1ntba||]

DarkRipper

You still are not getting what i was saying before.

Lets do this in baby steps now.....

TAKE OFF THE secondary REG ON THE COCKER, and run it through an asa adapter directly from the tank to the asa.

Now put on an asa adapter on the mag and run it like this instead of a gas thru. (got it )

and also the reason why you get more flow from running it directly from gun to tank is because theres less time waiting (not that much long but theres a difference) for the air to fill in the gas thru ..then go in the little hole...then to the asa...then to the mag valve or just on a cocker without going to the mag valve (obviously) with an asa adapter its from the tank to the asa. Faster meaning better flow.

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by RaV3n_Pa1ntba||
DarkRipper

You still are not getting what i was saying before.

Lets do this in baby steps now.....

TAKE OFF THE secondary REG ON THE COCKER, and run it through an asa adapter directly from the tank to the asa.

Now put on an asa adapter on the mag and run it like this instead of a gas thru. (got it )

and also the reason why you get more flow from running it directly from gun to tank is because theres less time waiting (not that much long but theres a difference) for the air to fill in the gas thru ..then go in the little hole...then to the asa...then to the mag valve or just on a cocker without going to the mag valve (obviously) with an asa adapter its from the tank to the asa. Faster meaning better flow.

Alright, apparently you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you take off the reg on the cocker... IT HAS NO REG. It will then run single reg off the tank.

If you take the reg off the mag, it will not work.

As for the asa/gasthrough, give me a break. Most gasthroughs are just tubes. The amount of air in it as opposed to the longer length of hose you'll need to reach the ASA is negligible for this experiment.

What exactly was it you were trying to take me through with baby steps again?

I already stated how your experiment would have to be to be accurate:

cocker with black ice

mag

both with a single regged tank, like an armageddon.

Your example of the maxflow is poor, as it won't be as good on the mag as it will be on the cocker without it's inline reg. This is due to triple regulation on the mag at this point.

Again.

DR