WAS proclaims VIKING = FASTEST MARKER AVAILABLE @ 40 CPS stock! (no video)

[pito189]

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
J&C you are really starting to annoy me. everywhere i go i see you completely bashing WAS, one way or another. its not the fact that you are interested to see proof of the claimed 40bps(which i think is beleiveable), its that you are soo amazingly sarcastic about it and rude to Jim about it. why are u so concerned with what a company claims???? you think the man just lies for no reason???? of course not. i mean seriously. who is going to claim a number that they pulled out of their ***???? nobody. i guarantee with all the testing Jim does, he has gotten a viking to cycle at 40cps. now where his proof is at??? i dont know. i do beleive its capable of 40cps and i dont see why you find that hard to beleive when timmys have already been PROVEN to shoot past 30 and vikings have a faster and shorter stroke than timmys. so again, i dont know what your beef is with this claim but im going to laugh in your face when WAS releases a video of it shooting at 40+cps. hes probably working on it right now to shut your punk *** down. - Tony

Are you serious? Or are you just 12? Have you ever read through some of the discussions we have had with WAS on AO, and PBnation?

All we want is proof of all his claims, thats all we ask. That is all Jack and Coke is asking.


Foo Temps is right a lot of numbers are made up.

[deathstalker]

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
you think the man just lies for no reason????

I'm sure he has a reason.

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
i guarantee with all the testing Jim does, he has gotten a viking to cycle at 40cps. now where his proof is at??? i dont know.

I guarantee you are a moron who rides the short bus and wears a helmet. I have no proof, but I guarantee it. See where I'm going with this? If not, then I have my proof.

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
but im going to laugh in your face when WAS releases a video of it shooting at 40+cps. hes probably working on it right now to shut your punk *** down.

Let him. I'm willing to bet Jack & Coke would say, "Cool! Thanks for the vid!"

As has already been stated, when a company makes claims, they better be prepared to offer proof. I could not care less about WAS's claims as I do not own any of their products (nor am interested in any), but what irks me is people like you who believe anything you read on the intarweb.

[Jack & Coke]

Looks like someone forgot to take their pills...

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId


J&C you are really starting to annoy me.

Just put me on your ignore list and I'm sure you'll feel much better.

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId


...everywhere i go i see you completely bashing WAS, one way or another...

Where did I bash him this time? I just asked for some proof to his 40 cps claim... I have never seen a 40 cps clip. I think it would be great to see. Don't you???

Remember, I never said it was impossible.

You know, I didn't even ask the harder questions regarding drop off at that ROF.

All I asked was a very simple question - and again, his elusiveness has turned these threads into perceived bashing.

Did I say he was wrong or lying?

I have not made that conclusion yet...

[Caffiend]

Re: WAS proclaims VIKING = FASTEST MARKER AVAILABLE @ 40 CPS stock! (no video)

Originally posted by Jack & Coke


Jack & Coke:
1. Short stroke - currious, what's the length of stroke?

WickedAirSportz:
1. Less than anything else (except the mags).

I'm a complete noob when it comes to technical terms, but what is a "stroke" (keep it clean guys) and what's the mag's length?

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
you think the man just lies for no reason????

same reason we have a smart parts lawsuit going on...sales.

[Puddleglum]

J&C

I ask again... please... how did you determine that a stock Viking can cycle 40 times per second?

JD

Bench test. Mount sensors on each side of the bolt pin, and have a logic analyzer trigger the solenoid and count the forward backward movement (cycle rate) as the rate of fire is increased. The LA stores the time each takes for each direction of movement, letting you know what changes to things like manifold base gasket make.

J&C

Thanks!

JD

Yeah, see the search function? I have already stated how bench testing is done.

[Puddleglum]

I don't understand why the guy (J&C) is trying so hard. Even to the point of being a real $%&#. I owned four Mag's before I bought my Viking. I loved the Mag's, and I love my Viking more. But I still have a great amount of respect for AGD and for the Mag......and I hate to see them get very little respect. I also suffer the same thing being a Viking owner. People think beauty is synonymous with bein the best. The Viking is not pretty, but it's what inside that counts. My Viking with full WAS and Eyes, regularly outfeeds my HALO B with Zcode which I have drop tested at an average of 23.876 bps. THE VIKING IS ONE OF THE FASTEST CYCLING MARKERS IN THE WORLD. And so is the MAG. I'm just happy to have owned (and loved) both.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

40 is alot. But I wonder if they are complete. It almost seems like they are probably half strokes.

[Jack & Coke]

Puddleglum, since you have a Viking, do you think you can help us out and record a clip of your gun doing 40 cps?

...or even you "outfeeding" your Halo at 23 bps.

Thanks a lot!

[personman]

My talon can do 6 bps

[pito189]

Originally posted by Puddleglum
I don't understand why the guy (J&C) is trying so hard. Even to the point of being a real $%&#. I owned four Mag's before I bought my Viking. I loved the Mag's, and I love my Viking more. But I still have a great amount of respect for AGD and for the Mag......and I hate to see them get very little respect. I also suffer the same thing being a Viking owner. People think beauty is synonymous with bein the best. The Viking is not pretty, but it's what inside that counts. My Viking with full WAS and Eyes, regularly outfeeds my HALO B with Zcode which I have drop tested at an average of 23.876 bps. THE VIKING IS ONE OF THE FASTEST CYCLING MARKERS IN THE WORLD. And so is the MAG. I'm just happy to have owned (and loved) both.

He owned/owns Mags, he owns an Intimidator, and has owned a myraid of other guns I'm sure.

J&C and other AOers myself included just love to see proof of these claims.

I would personally love to see a video of you "outfeeding" your hopper. Heck even you outshooting it would work.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

Bashing

This hasn't been about bashing, J+C just asked for the information about the tests that proved the ROF. It's a fair question. I see nothing that is truly offensive in this thread except how Cpsuperkid and maybe one or two are acting. Grow up kid. You don't like this discussion, take a walk. If you want to defend WAS by providing solid proof to back up the claims WAS made, I am sure J+C would concede to the fact they were right and compliment their technology, I seem to remember he owns a Timmy so why would he be bashing them? He just likes to know he isn't being BS'd which TONS of companies in paintball do. He has never said the Timmy can't rip, only that he needs a little more proof this new claim's insanely high ROF is actually real or just deceitful marketing and a way to push more WAS'd vikings. This thread will help WAS if it's legit, hurt them if it's bogus. But J+C didn't push it towards either one. So keep the valid points coming, but if you're all about being an idiot and using "because WAS said it" as your argument, try telling it to some naive noobs over at PBN because I think the majority of AO regulars expect to see some proof to back up a claim and so far none has appeared yet.

[DJBacon06]

ok, i know its not a viking...but i was just curious about this gun. they are saying it can do 45 cps


here's a link to the vid of it.

http://members.cox.net/ah100/Isis45bpsJul9_03.MOV

and here is the site with all the info on the gun.

http://members.cox.net/pgipaintguns/page8.htm

[GT]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
Puddleglum, since you have a Viking, do you think you can help us out and record a clip of your gun doing 40 cps?

...or even you "outfeeding" your Halo at 23 bps.

Thanks a lot!

What is your problem Jack? You know dam well that w/o some kind of f/a utility it is impossible for us to determine rof above 20bps. Kinda like asking each retro owner to produce a sound sig of 26bps. real mature.

however,

I am not sure why WAS cannot just make a quick vid since he does f/a testing.

BTW,
When you say "stock" viking you are really saying any vik w/ the updated WAS board. To the best of my knowledge there are no upgrades for the viking that increase rof less the eq and eyes of which the board is now including with the purchase of a vik.

jb

[hitech]

Originally posted by gtrsi
What is your problem Jack? You know dam well that w/o some kind of f/a utility it is impossible for us to determine rof above 20bps. Kinda like asking each retro owner to produce a sound sig of 26bps.

Not really,

Originally posted by Puddleglum
My Viking with full WAS and Eyes, regularly outfeeds my HALO B with Zcode which I have drop tested at an average of 23.876 bps.

Granted, we are assuming by outfeeds he means out shoots. However, he is the one that claims his viking can shoot sustained strings in excess of 24bps. We would ALL like to see that. Myself included.

[f3rr3+]

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
J&C you are really starting to annoy me. everywhere i go i see you completely bashing WAS, one way or another. its not the fact that you are interested to see proof of the claimed 40bps(which i think is beleiveable), its that you are soo amazingly sarcastic about it and rude to Jim about it. why are u so concerned with what a company claims???? you think the man just lies for no reason???? of course not. i mean seriously. who is going to claim a number that they pulled out of their ***???? nobody. i guarantee with all the testing Jim does, he has gotten a viking to cycle at 40cps. now where his proof is at??? i dont know. i do beleive its capable of 40cps and i dont see why you find that hard to beleive when timmys have already been PROVEN to shoot past 30 and vikings have a faster and shorter stroke than timmys. so again, i dont know what your beef is with this claim but im going to laugh in your face when WAS releases a video of it shooting at 40+cps. hes probably working on it right now to shut your punk *** down. - Tony

Seal Foward Technology anyone?