Tac_One, AGD isn't Fooling Around Any More>>

[Mango]

I would say from $400.00 - $600.00

Edit: page 2!!1

[cabldawg]

Tom,
is there any chance that some Tac one's could be ready in time for Throwdown?

[judster]

i only play scenarios, and i see the market growing...i think tom is making a very smart move here. i love the idea of having a scenario mag. when you are out there for 24+ hrs at a time, its good to have a marker thats light, and will not fail ya, and shoots like a dream. ive always been an AGD preson, and to see tom support the part of paintball that i love, i will only support the person(company) that supports me...these prices are pretty good. the last 2 scenario games ive played ive had gen3 night vision and i would love to have a gun to mount it to....go get em tom!!!1

[Caffiend]

Not sure on prices, but I pretty much agree with the put it in direct competition with the A-5 ($280+), M98 ($132 or $350 for the stealth package), and the VFT Cocker ($675)
So you have quite a range for prices, but I figure scenario players would upgrade the tippmans at least a little bit so add $100 to each of those. If we could undercut the VFT buy $150 to $200 I think that'd be a real good idea.
And hopefully you sell the bodies for fairly cheap (about same price as ULE's I hope, but probably closer to Chord bodies)
Now all we need is them to reintroduce the Sydarms

[Meph]

Re: Tac_One, AGD isn't Foolling Around Any More>>

Originally posted by AGD
AO,

Again I turn to my team on AO to help us set the "get excited" price for this marker.

AGD

Tac-One specs....
X valve
custom milled slug body vert. feed
Intelliframe with rubber grips
J&J cocker barrel
ULT trigger
LvL 10
Flat black only

What would be my highest price? Being a dealer I can give a guesstimate of what would be my highest price. $750ish.

Now what would I think could make this take the Scenario world by storm, yet won't make you guys hurt financially (meaning at the very least break even). I'd have to guess $500 range in price, tops.

Many people are lowballing asking for the dealer price of the X-valve alone! That's just completely impossible I would have to imagine. I could not see AGD selling this for $300. By heavens if they do I'm buying 3! But I'm not seeing it. Based on what my cost is and AGD's profit margin I could see this being $500 dollars. And that, for what you're getting, is one hell of a bargain. Especially considering the mag I custom built is almost identical yet cost some more than $500.

You didn't ask, and I was too lazy to read anything beyond your first post! Just skimmed. But for the solo body by itself, I'd pay an extra $25 onto the current ULE mainbody price for the Tac-One body. So, probably customer price being around $175. For the body.




Bottom line. Market price I could see. Main Body alone, $150-$175. Tac-One package $500-$550.

[judster]

Originally posted by Caffiend
Now all we need is them to reintroduce the Sydarms

my thoughts exactly...i have one already but would love to see them being made again...right not the best pistol out for scenario is the zeus...if AGD could get the tac one out at a good pric then reinterduce the sydarm they would have the scenario market almost cornered....

[Lohman446]

Re: Tac_One, AGD isn't Foolling Around Any More>>

Originally posted by AGD
AO,
Tac-One specs.
X valve
custom milled slug body vert. feed
Intelliframe with rubber grips
J&J cocker barrel
ULT trigger
LvL 10
Flat black only

If you sell the gun for the $350 that some have suggested I will buy the SOB for parts.

Current prices from AGD store

X-valve $325 no trade in, its what we are discussing
Intelliframe $115
ULE Trigger kit $47

Right there is $487 - you still have a body on there $115? - a rail $40?, a decent barrel $30?, sear, screws, etc. $10.

That puts us up to $672 or so.

Its a package deal, a top of the line scenario marker about $550 is a good deal - may I suggest now though get rid of the X-valve, make it an upgrade, and sell classic valves on the thing and lower the price accordingly.

Frankly, $400 would be a steal, and you would see a lot of non-scenario players buy them and throw a ULE body on them for a speedball marker - I would.

I beleive those are steals... but your going to have a hard time competing with the lower end Tippman at that price, especially when you can find them with a flatline barrel for $200 to $250 if I recall.

Edit: I realize that we are not comparing apples to apples, but are scenario players really looking for the rate of fire that the X-valve gives them?

[Hawkeye]

Tom,
Are there any plans of selling just the body? I would love to pick up that body to put on the emag so I can mount some stuff when I need it at these games.

[Meph]

Yes the body will be for sale all on its own (or so Tom has informed on previous occasions).

And I know I'll be buying one!

[GoatBoy]

are you sure you're not fooling around?

I wouldn't pay any more for this thing than I would for a similarly configured RTP.

It seems the special thing about this is the body. You can put accessories on it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I can see someone savvy coming out with accessory rails that can screw into the holes on a RTP's rail (a la foregrip/sight mounts) for much less, and eating your lunch on this thing.

It seems that what "sells" to the scenario players is the "look", and in this case, the tac-one doesn't look any more realistic than any other paintball gun, aside from the all-matte-black finish. The tac-one probably won't be able to compete if someone makes a cheap accessory as I mentioned above, because I don't see it winning on looks.

I have no idea what's backing this motivation to win over "scenario" ball; you can point to some scenario games and such, but that's like a once-in-a-while thing. The regulars I know aren't heavy into the scenario aura. I hope that in the anti-tournament backlash, there isn't confusion between recball and scenario ball. The difference between the two being that the latter likes to "dress up" more for the occasion, and this seems to extend to the gun, not just camo.

While I'm more than happy to see a more aesthetically "serious" gun design, I'm going to have to be a naysayer on this one. I hope the brains going into this one aren't sapping resources from other projects...











And now, I will begin incoherently mumbling.



*mumble mumble smart move mumble mumble make a new sydarm and sell that mumble mumble make other accessory rails that screw into the rtp holes like say a hopper clamp mumble mumble*

[Cilio - Knightmare Tango]

I agree that the ULT should NOT be put in this gun. When the ULT was talked about it was mentioned that it was easier to short stroke and would take some practice. You want to make this as fun a gun as possible and not frustrating to a player who doesn't have the patience to deal with the ULT. It is more than reasonable to expect it to be an upgrade for those that want it.

I'm not sure whether the J&J barrel should be included. Many people have barrels already or barrel kits and others prefer to make their own selection. It would cut additional $ off the price.

As far as price:
Low end $350
high end $500

The Worr Games VF-Tactical Autococker can be gotten for $650, I would go significantly lower than this.

[abaez]

While I already have a mag and I love it, if I were looking at this I think the best price for me and AGD is prolly somewhere around $500.

But I would like some customization. ULE trigger or no ULE trigger. The option to be able to buy just a regular ule body instead of the tac one body would also be a great option. Let's say no ULT and just a regular ULE body.. lowers the price what.. $100 bux maybe?

Plus you also have to add to the fact that many scenario people with tippmans w/ CO2. If they buy a tac one they're gonna have to buy a compressed air tank. $500 + a compressed air tank is probably more than some people can chew. Add options to take away some of the burden (no ule trigger, regular ule body etc) and I'm sure it would sell well.

[wish-had-a-mag]

TK already said on another thread that the price would be the same as an RT pro(530 on pbgear), and then he offered the wholesale pricing, so i'd say nthat goes 300-450.

[Kevmaster]

I know you said you wouldn't be doing dealer stuff with this, but I'm confident I could have moved them (when I ran the store) bi-weekly to monthly at $400-$500. So, I'd say $400-500 would be a EXCELLENT RANGE.

However, I have to think, as an ex-store manager, I'd be awfully unhappy if AGD started selling a product factory direct that was (perhaps) NICER than a marker I sold (made by the same company) that was LOWER than your MSRP on that marker (the RT Pro). That is to say: If you sold it lower than the MSRP on teh RT Pro, I'd be unhappy if i was still a dealer

[WARPED1]

$250 low
$500 high
I'd buy one for Spplat games for sure!