Tac_One, AGD isn't Fooling Around Any More>>

[yeahthatsme]

i'd say if at all possible 350 would RULE but max something like 550.

[yeahthatsme]

and one other thing, could you maybe cut down the ASA with the rubber grip a bit? thats freaking long... maybe cut the asa in half...just a suggestion.

[Meph]

Get rid of Xvalve, nobody needs 15, 16, 18bps in Scenarioball? Oh right, guess that's why Tippmann sells RTs like crazy, eh! Not because people want to shoot that fast, they are recballers after all. They just like to say they have their Tippmann with an RT. Only reason they buy it, not for speed

Sorry bud, but recballers like to shoot fast too. Not everybody does shoot a Tippmann. Sure half might, but there is a large chunk that play Scenarios and such that use Angel, Emag, Ecocker, Imp, Timmy..... name it. Recball has people wanting and needing to shoot just as fast, so that demand is always going to be there.


I say keep in X-valve, keep in LVL10, keep in I-frame. What the hell are you people saying, remove all that. BUY A STOCK 68CLASSIC you geniuses! That's what you just made by removing all the goodies. HELLO!

But I do agree on ULT removal. Leave that an option for those that want it. I like mine but it's not something I'd want to have stock on mine. I'm always carrying around my stock on/off for in-case this decides to again act up on me as it has before. Not everybody wants to work on their marker for 5 hours shimming and tweeking just so it'll work for one game.

[GT]

Originally posted by Meph

I say keep in X-valve, keep in LVL10, keep in I-frame. What the hell are you people saying, remove all that. BUY A STOCK 68CLASSIC you geniuses! That's what you just made by removing all the goodies. HELLO!

I dont think some of you guys get it. You take a classic with an Al, or not, valve and build the tac one ule around a stock classic. It hits on a few goals:

1. cheap
2. can be customized later, which also leads to lesss loss in cost to AGD, ie they can make more money selling upgrades later


There have to be different packages availible to the player. They like to think that "they", the player, can customize it to thier liking later or they can buy it with all the crap pre-installed.

[Gadget]

I'm betting that a classic valve costs almost as much to make as an X-valve - they're only priced differently in order to differentiate the old from the new.

The only thing the classic offers over the RT-style valves is the ability to run on CO2.....which is an important feature.....for people living a decade ago.

The classic is the past, if people wanted an old-school mag they can pickup thousands of em second hand.

Anything that AGD release from now on needs to focus on their best products, not the old stuff.

[Pstan]

Low end = $350........and I'd buy one too.
High end = $500 and not a cent more.

[Meph]

gtrsi.... you're missing the point of this entire package as is. IT IS custom. It's not your average mag.

Look at KAPP flame cockers, or Free Flow cockers. People don't want the average stock stuff on these so they can upgrade later. They are buying THESE specifically becuase they are already pre-upgraded! Get it?

[GT]

Originally posted by Gadget
The only thing the classic offers over the RT-style valves is the ability to run on CO2.....which is an important feature.....for people living a decade ago.

Thats true except that the mag gets more shots out of co2 than it does on n2, like all guns. Agian more than a few folks still play out in the woods/feilds that dont have compressed air.

I believe that co2 is pretty essintial for survival.

jb

[GT]

Originally posted by Meph
gtrsi.... you're missing the point of this entire package as is. IT IS custom. It's not your average mag.

Look at KAPP flame cockers, or Free Flow cockers. People don't want the average stock stuff on these so they can upgrade later. They are buying THESE specifically becuase they are already pre-upgraded! Get it?

I agree,
however there is a need to hit certian price points in paintball. Sure folks buy high end gear however we are a. talking about a different segment of the market b. not everyone that walks into a honda dealership buys an s2000, however lots of folks buy accords and civics to suit thier basic needs

Meph I am going to end my reply here since Tom only really wants prices on the package he has listed. We can start a new topic, pm or aim?

jb

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by Gadget

The only thing the classic offers over the RT-style valves is the ability to run on CO2.....which is an important feature.....for people living a decade ago.

But for scenario players it is still used more than N2.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Good low price: $400
Highest price: $600

I'll add my voice to those who have suggested a scaled down version with stock grip frame, classic valve, no ULT. You could easily price that profitably for $400, and take the scenario market by storm.

Many scenario and rec players still use CO2, and selling them a marker that requires HPA effectively adds $200 to the price since they have to buy a new tank.

"Looks cool","fast ROF" and "great price" are not defined by scenario players the same as tourney players. A scaled down version would satisfy the market better, IMO.

[cabldawg]

Well, I am a scenario player. I want all the bells and whistles. I haven't used a ULT trigger but I figure I can learn.
350.00 it'll be in my game bag
550.00 I'll have to think on it

[Z-man]

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Lowest- $350 I'll buy one for my wall even!

Highest- $600 I would have to think a bit

2 thoughts (which have been voiced before)

1- X-Valve (or any RT valve) means that no CO2 is available. I don't do senario games (yet) but is that a significant issue or are most now stocked with HPA fills? I would want an RT based valve in there HANDS down but if the SG only has CO2 available.... I dunno you probly know the numbers..

2- ULT optional for extra $$$. I like my hard crisp valve (for various reasons ) and if one of these was made at a give away price I would sell the ULT unless something totally changes my opinion. I know many like it but if it's one more cost to the gun on say only 50% want it, save a little money and make it a $50 upgrade or something.

[Lohman446]

This thread just wants to stay with me... I want all the bells and whistles, the best mechanical mag I can get, but I only want to spend $350 new. Well... ummm... me too.

This $500 is what I would expect to pay - you drop this thing to $350 and one of two things are going to happen. A) Everyone of us that uses a mechanical mag for non-scenario play are going to buy one and throw it in our bag for a back-up marker (my biggest question now is if I want a silver or blue ULE body on it).
B) Your going to drop the mags value down so low that people no longer consider it a top end gun. Yes price does matter to people I am more likely to beleive that a marker that I pay $700 for is better than one I pay $300 for even if I am wrong.

I personally expect both of these to happen. $350 sells this thing and you will not be able to produce enough of them, they will be gone to AO before the public even gets a chance at them and most of them will not end up being the scenario marker you aimed for (unless the body is part of the rail and non-seperable). The same thing will happen as with the X-mag, great marker (I personally do not like it for the price), but the waiting list is too much.

$500 this thing still sells - is still a top end marker, and does not hurt the rest of the mag line that badly in the value category, and you can likely make enough to keep with demand.

Ok, I've debated this a lot in this thread, but I really think some of the numbers presented are not as well thought out as they could be. I could be wrong and frequently am.

[trevorjk]

if i had the extra cash id pay about 550 - 600 for it easily

i think people need to realize everything on the gun is brand new and not used so we cant even figure in resale price