Tac_One, AGD isn't Fooling Around Any More>>

[Beemer]

I feel a disturbance in the SHIFT, WIZARD

[BarryTolar]

400 - I'd buy one

550 is what I figure it has to cost

Barry

[Major Ho]

Hands down drop the ULT. Absolutely without a doubt unnecessary commodity.
Lvl 10 is a big selling point and a must, Xvalve to go hand in hand would be a benefit. The frame is questionable
Lowest: 400
Highest: 650-700

On second thought, whats the N2 usage for scenario/woodsballers? If they seem to use N2 a lot go X, if Co2 seems to be dominant go classic valve.

[Big Ben]

I have played rec ball for 12 years and some of the fields I play at are just getting nitro, the last big game I played(250 players) most of the players were shooting co2. If these are only sold with an X valve then Players have to also get a Nitro tank. So would we want to spend $500 on this and then another 100-200 on nitro or I could get a very nice electro that runs on Co2 or a upgraded tippmann for $500. I would sell the x valve as an upgrade I would also sell the ult as an upgrade it seems to be more of a personal taste then a must have.

With classic valve + lvl 10 $275-325
With Xvalve - $450-500
Package it with a steel nitro tank an intellifed hopper
$550-600. The rec players that I know look for packages to start out, I would have that as an option. Also the lvl 10 needs to be set at the factory and have good instructions. People will want to buy these and go right in to the game not spend time tuning things.

Another thing almost everyone I know that has a tippmann has upgraded it to an rt. An x with the lvl 10 will blow them away.

I love that AGD is doing this, just another reason you guys ROCK.

[Beemer]

Key words

What all you guys said.

Key words co2,HPA,Package,entry level

When I bought my first gun 15 yrs ago it was ready to go right out of the box. Pump with 7oz tank, fill it up and play,payed 300 for it.[Package]

If they like the package they'll be back for the upgrades,if theyre happy as is, you still made a sale.

2 prices for a Package deal
500 to 550
Take em by storm 450


I feel the disturbance in the SHIFT getting stronger Wizard

[AGD]

WOW! As ususal AO comes through in a big way, THANKS!! We will drop the ULT trigger or make it an upgrade option.

Here is another new idea, what if you could change one part in the X valve and make it run off CO2? This might be doable by changing the center regulator valve pin. If we made them without a center hole and narrow enough that they didnt seal on the oring in the reg back half, it would work just like a Classic valve on CO2.

I would like to hear more on the grip frame debate. Some vote for the carbon fiber frame others for the Intelliframe.

Thanks,

AGD

[vf-xx]

CO2 is a good choice for Scenerio ballers because that's what they seem used to.

However, is modding the xvalve for co2 better than just putting classic valves in? If so, how?

[Mossman]

Tom, I know how to fix mags but I don't understand the intricacies of the valve. If you Co2-compatiblized the Xvalve how would that change how it works with compressed air? Same reactivity and feel? If so go for it, but If it took away from the gun as a whole I wouldn't make compromises in order for it to shoot on co2.

Since it's not feasible to get the price of the tac one into the spyder range, I'd just accept the fact that you might make it unattainable for some players, but that's too bad Most people use nitro these days, and a 47/3k is only 80 bucks or so new, if they can afford any mag, let alone a sweet one like the Tac-1, they can get nitro.

I would normally say not to sell the marker with a carbon fiber frame. However, since you'll be selling them directly you have a few more options than if they were being sold in stores. Maybe make them come standard with a CF frame, but have the intelli or Y be a low cost upgrade, 50 dollars maybe, so that most people will spring for the better frames and you can factor that into the cost, but people who are die hard single finger fans or want the CF frame for some reason won't be left out in the cold.

Any word on actually possible pricing yet Tom?

[Mossman]

Originally posted by vf-xx
CO2 is a good choice for Scenerio ballers because that's what they seem used to.

However, is modding the xvalve for co2 better than just putting classic valves in? If so, how?

I have a feeling that once the design costs of the Xvalve are made back (probably has already happened), the Xvalve costs less money to produce than the classic does. Maybe not if you factor in level 10, but even high grade aluminum is cheaper, and easier to machine, if I understand correctly. The only thing the classic valve had going for it was the #'s in which it was produced, I have a feeling that AGD would rather keep making Xvalves in higher #'s than make a new batch of classics.

^all speculation, but I know somebody who could tell you for sure

[Cyberious]

I would still like to have the ULT. But if the marker was in the 350 range I would spend the extra 40 bucks. As far as the frame I would rather stick with an intelliframe or a dust black y-grip personally. So how about this. Let it come with the old RT Classic frame which was actually a good grip for a single trigger grip. But if someone wanted to order the Tac-One with an intelliframe or y-grip with it then sell it to them at something like 40% off (only at time of order though). I still want the high ROF from the X-Valve so if you could still have that and be able to run off CO2 (of course no high ROF with CO2) then that would be OK.

Can I get one before Shatnerball 04, Tom? The X-Mag needs another roommate :-)

[GT]

Originally posted by AGD

Here is another new idea, what if you could change one part in the X valve and make it run off CO2?

I would like to hear more on the grip frame debate. Some vote for the carbon fiber frame others for the Intelliframe.

You have to remember that some of the big issues that plague scenerio guys is the fact that they maybe in the feild a long long time. 2 big issues here

1. weight of your rig
2. effiency, how many shots can I get on X tank

I like the co2 idea it fixes number 2.

Lets think about #1 for a second. There is an issue of the carbon being alot lighter, however when you consider that these guys are going to have all kinds of crap strapped to thier guns the idea of shedding a few onces is probally a good one.

It would be mighty sweet if we had a carbon fiber 2x for the tac one. It would be a nice marketing deal to have the tac one ule for mounting stuff in addtion to a light 2x or single carbon.

[Severe]

I think the idea of helping the X valve work better with CO2 is a great idea, it certainly opens up the buyer base since it's not restricted to just HPA users.

My question is, would this converstion still allow it to maintain it's speed and reactivity? If players wanted, as they upgraded to HPA, could they change out this part for the normal one and be good?

I didn't mention it earlier because it didn't occur to me but another reason I think the X valve should be stock over the Classic is weight. Yes, I know, it's not that much, but some Senario players will already be carrying a ton of extra weight as part of their gear. Having their marker be the lightest possible helps. Heck, I'd even suggest stopping the pic-rail where the valve starts to cut down on excess metal. How about a sling D-ring on the back of the rail to help with carrying the marker?

As for the stock frame vs. Intelli.....I'm going to have to say stick with the Intelli. If you had an aluminum single-trigger grip frame already I'd say that would be fine. But I like the idea of an all aluminum marker over having the stock frame. Part of my thinking here is this marker will be very similarly configured to the RT Pro, which comes stock with the Intelliframe.

[AGD]

Overall its probably easier for us to stock and sell only one valve. We are trying to condense our inventory down thats why we are only using one logo on the x valve now.

The CO2 mod to the X valve would eliminate the reactive trigger and super fast recharge but if you put the original part back in it would go back to a full power HPA reactive trigger valve.

AGD

[Mossman]

I think the ultimate would be pricing the "base" co2 Tac-One at around 350 dollars. Then you can add an intelli or Y grip for 50 bucks, ULT for 40, and the Reactive valve part for 10. So anywhere from 350 for the base to 450 for the "deluxe". I'd probably snatch one up

[Cyberious]

OK so enough talk, When do I get my y-gripped, ULT, Tac-One? I want Tac-One # TO00001. How much? I'd like one for Christmas :-)

In all seriousness can I pre-order now?