Update on NPPL Trigger Bounce Rule

[AGD]

AO,

I just got off the phone with Dave Zincam who is the official NPPL Scrutinizer for trigger bounce. He has the authority to allow or boot any trigger he feels is breaking the rules.

He said that he had not had any problems with AGD guns and that it was the electros that were the big issue (as we suspected). He told me that the guns with large moving masses like the E-cockers were the biggest problems since the gun moved so much they shot automatically.

The ruling is still evolving but he did say that currently its looking like they will test guns to see that they do not bounce more than 3 times in a minute of shooting. I interpret this to mean that your marker is not rejected if it bounces once by itself.

He promised me a more comprehensive ruling by the end of next week after it passes the rules committe. He will publish the specific language on the net for all to see. I didn't get any sense that this was going to be an issue with our markers so please stand by for more details.

Thanks

AGD

[SlipknotX556]

Thanks for telling us tom.

[ezrunner]

Hybrid

How is Hybrid mode interpretted on the E/X mag? Meaning electro pull with rt push?

I would love an xmag in electro and mechanical only, but don't know how possible it would be to lock into just one position.

Fatman (Walt), cphilip (Phil), and I have been having conversations about this recently as I suspect most of the AGD crowd has.

I've been shooting a Raced Cocker for the past couple events and they are rediculously easy to setup to do this very thing.

Thanks for the update, this is a very pressing issue.

-rob

[manike]

Re: Hybrid

I eagerly await Dave Zincam's ruling. It's something we have been discussing in relation to the Millennium Tournaments also, and it seems to be quite a complex issue right now.

Originally posted by ezrunner
I would love an xmag in electro and mechanical only, but don't know how possible it would be to lock into just one position.

It is possible, I made a prototype but haven't had time to finish/fine tune it completely yet.

[SlipknotX556]

Re: Re: Hybrid

Originally posted by manike
It is possible, I made a prototype but haven't had time to finish/fine tune it completely yet.

Manike, you make everything dont you?

[Cliffio]

maybe he could make you a legal sig

[manike]

Sorry, I don't do photoshop... ask Webby, and thanks to Synreal for my Sig

Slipknot I do like to make stuff. I get a lot of satisfaction from designing and problem solving. It's what I do best

I showed off that trigger on here before, you should be able to find it if you do a search. One of the reasons to make it was to get rid of hybrid mode so I just had manual and electric modes and less chance of getting bounce when playing tournaments

[cphilip]

Re: Hybrid

Originally posted by ezrunner
I've been shooting a Raced Cocker for the past couple events and they are rediculously easy to setup to do this very thing.

And you know I am going to be watching you this weekend too. You might as well just leave that thing home!

[shade23]

Glad to hear about this!!!!
means I don't have to invest more in a worse marker!!!

[SlartyBartFast]

Sounds to me it's about time someone designed a mechanical test stand that fired guns under controlled conditions and passed/failed them.

[ezrunner]

mechanical frame

You could do that with a modified Ransom Rest.

The Ransom Rest is a vise with a mechanism to absorb recoil. It returns to the same point of aim and is used to measure precision of handguns (precision = repeatability/grouping).

It has a lever to actuate the trigger mechanism. You just use a constant pressure on this lever and vary it to see if you find the sweet spot.

The problem with this is that part of the sweet spotting is that the human hand is not a vise and the rocking of the marker adds to the effect.

-rob

[PsychoBaller]

Sweeet....

I wasn't worried anyways........ I knew TK would smooth talk the guy to let us continue using our guns... hehhehehe

~da baller

[rehme]

alright maybe now i can sleep at night good thing my gun some times dont bouce mad

[than205]

I'm sorry. I want to take the high ground, but I can't.
Mr. Drew totally disappoints me with his now obvious biased spin on the ruling.
It seems that the ruling deals more with his product and things of that likeness versus an RT valve.
I held no grudge towards him and his right to sell his products.
It's just sad that.... I'm speechless.

[Jerhew]

ya it seems that alot of us were put off by Mr. Drew's interpretation of the rules(posted under a different thread on this forum)
he basically said that all rt's were outlawed...
it's a relief to hear he is wrong
i guess some of us got all up in arms over nothing